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Post by thepounder on May 4, 2020 20:04:45 GMT
I agree fully that the range really has stood the test of time.
That said a LoW in plastic would be awesome.
As much I like the FW kits they’re a bit underwhelming in size compared to some of our newer plastics.
Personally it was the aesthetic of the Tyranid range that brought me (and I guess most of us) into collecting a swarm!
It certainly wasn’t because of the rules!! If I wanted to win every game I’d do Iron Hands or some other point and click faction.
I’m happy with what we have it’s just annoying not having a decent centrepiece.
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Post by guy on May 4, 2020 21:19:43 GMT
If you actually build the warrior models they are different. The new warriors have much more volume to them. They are round and it is harder to see where they are glued together. Further, as one who had both kits when I build my 18 warriors several of the body parts do not fit the other kit. The way the stomac is fastened to the leg is different. The heads are fasted different. As is the front and back plate. Also, whips and sword options arw welcome. As well as the biocanons. Also, where the adrenal gland is sett is different, and it looks really awsome. I do not know if they build them dogitally or not, but it is not the same kit as well. Also, the Tyrant kit is also new. There used to be a metal one, then a small window with finecast. Lastly we have the current kit that can be build with wings and as a swarmlord. Also, the flyer comes with new spore mine models. Raveners god new models in 5th edition. The big point is that so many of our kits still look great. You sir have a rose tinted glasses... i edited my post with a codex for codex comparison. The sculpts are identical. Maybe the build process was different, maybe they slightly altered the warrior models when going plastic. But it's the same model we're looking at. My point is, Tyranid models are old [the ones with see on the table : gaunts, genestealers, warriors, tyrants], and even tho they still look good (mostly because they are non human and details are less important), they could use a welcome upgrade and look much better.
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Post by hivefleetkerrigan on May 4, 2020 22:07:59 GMT
I'd like to see more details added onto our current models. I got carnifex last year and they are much less detailed compared to the GSC infantry.
What other factions have non forgeworld low? I can only think of knights (chaos and imperium varients).
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Post by thepounder on May 4, 2020 22:17:35 GMT
Guard have all the Baneblade varieties. (There are loads!)
Chaos also have the Lord of Skulls and the Daemon Primarchs.
Necrons have the Ark with the C’Tan in the middle can’t recall the name.
So yeah, loads about!
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Post by infornography on May 4, 2020 22:45:31 GMT
I will admit, gaunts and stealers are in need of a refresh. Rippers too. Lictors, pyrovores, and biovores super need a plastic kit.
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Post by bolk on May 4, 2020 23:22:57 GMT
To be fair, the Warrior box is a completely new sculpt, not just repackaging. New Prime, new Rending claws, new Biocannons. But yes many of our kits are old now. But first of all our still existing Finecrap kits need to be made new, and we really should get a non-FW LoW. Same sculpt, i can't see any differences. nothing as radical as between a squat marine and a primaris anyway. And new weapons =/= new body sculpt. I love the tyranids stylistically, but saying we "don't need an upgrade" and the sculpts are fine is ridiculous. Those units could look even better than they actually do. People didnt know they needed an iphone until it came out. edit : codex to codex comparison They're new moulds, and many of the weapons was remade. For example the Rending Claws are completely different, and Biocannons are different from the old kit. And why would new weapons equal new body sculpts? Why would they suddenly change out the entire Tyranids aesthetic for one new box? Did you actually read what I wrote? Our Finecrap needs new plastic models and we need a proper LoW first and foremost. Otherwise we're really not lacking on units in the codex. I don't need an iPhone, android is good.
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Post by No One on May 5, 2020 1:13:39 GMT
Oh and Tyrant is 5th or 6th ed at least. I started in 5th and I remember wishing it was in plastic at the time. I also remember buying third party bits makers' boneswords to make my swarmy. The plastic kit they came out with either early 6th or late 5th though is almost indistinguishable from the resin and pewter kits once you put paint on them aside from the added weapon options. 5th: I started then and had the current kit tyrant.
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Post by guy on May 5, 2020 4:36:47 GMT
Same sculpt, i can't see any differences. nothing as radical as between a squat marine and a primaris anyway. And new weapons =/= new body sculpt. I love the tyranids stylistically, but saying we "don't need an upgrade" and the sculpts are fine is ridiculous. Those units could look even better than they actually do. People didnt know they needed an iphone until it came out. edit : codex to codex comparison They're new moulds, and many of the weapons was remade. For example the Rending Claws are completely different, and Biocannons are different from the old kit. And why would new weapons equal new body sculpts? Why would they suddenly change out the entire Tyranids aesthetic for one new box? Did you actually read what I wrote? Our Finecrap needs new plastic models and we need a proper LoW first and foremost. Otherwise we're really not lacking on units in the codex. I don't need an iPhone, android is good. Look, here is the difference between a 1998 sculpt and a 2019 sculpt. If you maintain that tyranid warriors "changed", there is nothing i can do for you. Also in 2007, android phones didnt exist (or rather, you didnt care about buying one).
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Post by No One on May 5, 2020 5:20:56 GMT
Massive? Wasn't it 3 kits? Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst, Zoanthrope/Venomthrope, Toxicrene/Maleceptor? Sizeable enough for Xenos but I don't think I'd call it big, let alone massive. And of course I'm not counting the new Broodlord was released as a singleton more recently, but was out as a sculpt before those Also hive guard/t-guard, exo/haruspex and harpy/crone. edit : codex to codex comparison I mean, I think they look the same because it's an old warrior: that's a 40 mm. Of course not all new warriors are on 50, so it could be, but I'd peg it more likely that GW just used an old model/photo than didn't show off the new model on the new base. Anyway, I'll agree that the body and some of the weapons are basically identical in design: new sprue and addition of prime options and updates to some of the weapons, so definitely not just a repackage. But not much in the way of a new sculpt, no. That said, they don't need a new sprue: compared to other stuff, like fex/terms which have a pretty poor mould and are also pretty bland, or finecast?
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Post by timcz on May 5, 2020 5:45:26 GMT
I actually find most of the current models still stand the test of time. The ones I’d like to see re done are def the fine cast ones. Even then though pyrovore looks great, biovores are a bit derp and could be a whole lot cooler. Lictor isn’t bad but ultimate could be a lot cooler as well. The special chars like red terror etc def could use a new model. He’s shocking.
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Post by bolk on May 5, 2020 6:50:06 GMT
They're new moulds, and many of the weapons was remade. For example the Rending Claws are completely different, and Biocannons are different from the old kit. And why would new weapons equal new body sculpts? Why would they suddenly change out the entire Tyranids aesthetic for one new box? Did you actually read what I wrote? Our Finecrap needs new plastic models and we need a proper LoW first and foremost. Otherwise we're really not lacking on units in the codex. I don't need an iPhone, android is good. Look, here is the difference between a 1998 sculpt and a 2019 sculpt. If you maintain that tyranid warriors "changed", there is nothing i can do for you. Also in 2007, android phones didnt exist (or rather, you didnt care about buying one). Mate, I'm NOT saying they changed the models themselves, but they made new moulds based on the old Warriors, and in those moulds they added Prime parts, new RCs and new Biocannons that are slightly different. I'll get pictures at home from my bits box later today. So, yes the warrior box is quite new, like the CSM box, though the models themselves are barely any different compared to the marines. Rather wait for Android instead of the (please do not swear) user interface with Apple products😛
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Post by niiai on May 5, 2020 12:06:43 GMT
So to summarice:
Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst, Zoanthrope/Venomthrope, Toxicrene/Maleceptor, guard/t-guard, exo/haruspex, harpy/crone, warriors, broodlord and tyrant/swarmlord one or two editions ago. And that is not a 'big release'. I do not know what to tell you man. That is just denial.
And the warrior kit is new, even if the model is the same. What do you think a new kit would warp the warrior into more of an elephant? That is not how that works. The warrior model looks awsome.
The only shame things that are bad for tyranids is that the carnifex and genestealer kits are a bit old. One of the GS often breaks (the one that leaps from a outgrowth) and the carnifex backplates looks a bit rough. But they still look good. If you want other genestealers buy spacehulk.
The flamer, and the spore mine launcher, as well as the lictors needsa a new kit.
All in all tyranid models are in a very good position in my opinion. GSC is in an exelent position. What I want are good rules to models I own, not more models.
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Post by infornography on May 5, 2020 13:21:46 GMT
Our codex has plenty of bloat. There are only two battlefield roles I feel we could benefit from. A plastic LoW and a transport of some kind that isn't a drop pod equivalent. Other than that I actually don't WANT more kits.
Replacing the last of our finecast and updating GS, rippers, and Gaunts are the only kit replacements I really have a hankering for.
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Post by v0iddrgn on May 6, 2020 1:28:56 GMT
Don't forget Eldar have the Wraith Knight, Orks have the Stompa and T'au have the Stormsurge. Just to add a few more to the list of factions with LoW's in their codex.
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Post by wound on May 10, 2020 15:38:12 GMT
GW's rippers ( the ones on genestealer boxes ) really anoy me on how they look, they could see a better design. FW ones are better though.
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