GSC-Nids meta counters?

[wormlord666]

Since marine Faq it seems like Raven Guard will be a candidate to the new top dog when we Nurgle will loosen his grip on us.
I faced a Cent/aggressors list the other day. I realized that we might have the tools to beat them. The blip deployment really gives us a chance to go second even with their re-deploy and scoutmoves.
And beeing able to counter-deepstrike with powerful units is good. Rending claws, monstrous scything talons, exocrines and mining lasers all work well with the armoursaves.
The acces to really fast and cheap troops or deepstriking troops to screen also helps if we have to go first.
Nobody really knows now due to the covid lockdowns but the theoryhammer is encouraging and motivates me to spend my isolationdays building ridgerunners.

[No One]

While I haven't played the match up enough to say with confidence, I think you're half right. Blips are effective at countering pre-game move, then counter-DS with enough melee damage to kill, HG are great etc.

The problem is, that they've got a lot of tools to counter us as well: RG is an army of very strong anti-infantry, with solid combat to back it up. With options to play around DS (auspex, infiltrators if running, though I think they might've fallen a bit out of favour, counter-DS of their own) and melee (overwatch, fall back and shoot/charge)? Hit negs and transhuman for HG/exo with symbio?

TL;DR I don't think it's a bad match up, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a 'counter'. Rather if you know the match up better than your opponent, you're in a good place. You can play around a lot of the stuff I mentioned (generations, LoS, hyp, DS screening with lying in wait etc). But if you don't know the match up well, I think you lose.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Heavy venom cannons are solid too. Getting a 3 flat damage is good against aggressors.

[xsquidz]

Mar 18, 2020 13:49:03 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Heavy venom cannons are solid too. Getting a 3 flat damage is good against aggressors.

But it sucks against Centurions.  Why did they have to go to 4W.  So stupid, even baneblade guns etc are only T3 so now you need 2 shots to kill them especially if they have a 5+++ from Iron hands.

[wormlord666]

Mar 18, 2020 12:10:44 GMT No One said:

While I haven't played the match up enough to say with confidence, I think you're half right. Blips are effective at countering pre-game move, then counter-DS with enough melee damage to kill, HG are great etc.

The problem is, that they've got a lot of tools to counter us as well: RG is an army of very strong anti-infantry, with solid combat to back it up. With options to play around DS (auspex, infiltrators if running, though I think they might've fallen a bit out of favour, counter-DS of their own) and melee (overwatch, fall back and shoot/charge)? Hit negs and transhuman for HG/exo with symbio?

TL;DR I don't think it's a bad match up, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a 'counter'. Rather if you know the match up better than your opponent, you're in a good place. You can play around a lot of the stuff I mentioned (generations, LoS, hyp, DS screening with lying in wait etc). But if you don't know the match up well, I think you lose.

I agree. We will not win easy. (I lost my game by the way). But the listarchetype with a few powerful units if cents could be good for us with Superflyrants, rocksaws and so on. Cult-Vect and Mass Hypnosis are good tools. But we’ll see what happens. This Corona will probalby stay a while and by then lots of new Books will be out and a new meta might emerge.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Mar 18, 2020 13:50:58 GMT xsquidz said:

Mar 18, 2020 13:49:03 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Heavy venom cannons are solid too. Getting a 3 flat damage is good against aggressors.

But it sucks against Centurions.  Why did they have to go to 4W.  So stupid, even baneblade guns etc are only T3 so now you need 2 shots to kill them especially if they have a 5+++ from Iron hands.

Use a 1 damage gun in between. I run dakkafex as heavy venom cannon and deathspitters. If I'm shooting at an undamaged cent, I'd start with the hvc. If it already has 3 damage, id start with the DS. That way, you have a much lower chance to overkill a cent.