Tyrant guards

[hiveman75]

Im not really sure how to integrate tyrant guards into my list. Does anybody have any lists that worked well with tyrant guard. I really want to try them out

[irondreddknight]

They struggle to justify their points cost since they're essentially ablative wounds for a tyrant.

As an fighting force, they're outclassed by other options. Warriors do bonesword lashwhip better. Genestealers do rending claws better. Carnifex do crushing claws better.

The only way i know to get value out of them is when you're running multiple tyrants. They can share the pool of extra wounds. T7 3+ 4++ 2+++(TG save) add a malanthrope makes them very survivable. Useful when you're going 2nd.

The general opinion is the points are better spent elsewhere.

[kazetanade]

They can be squeezed into certain lists as ablative wounds but also as Engineers, since its expected they take some flak T1 then never do anything after.

Their primary use is as wound soak and ground presence to hold objectives, pretty much. If you can make use of them here, that's the best you can do with them right now.

[harry4tw]

Mar 11, 2020 7:16:13 GMT irondreddknight said:

As an fighting force, they're outclassed by other options. Warriors do bonesword lashwhip better.

That's my favorite thing about tyrant guard. They actually make me feel good about using warriors and shrikes with boneswords and spinefists against literally all advice, because as I'm marching them up the board I think to myself that right now somewhere in the world someone is using an even lousier, less efficient melee unit. Right now I'm sure that for some reason someone must be using tyrant guard.

So as far as I'm concerned they're a critical unit. They allow me to look at myself in the mirror without crying after I build one of these FUN lists.

[hiveman75]

Mar 11, 2020 12:24:06 GMT harry4tw said:

Mar 11, 2020 7:16:13 GMT irondreddknight said:

As an fighting force, they're outclassed by other options. Warriors do bonesword lashwhip better.

That's my favorite thing about tyrant guard. They actually make me feel good about using warriors and shrikes with boneswords and spinefists against literally all advice, because as I'm marching them up the board I think to myself that right now somewhere in the world someone is using an even lousier, less efficient melee unit. Right now I'm sure that for some reason someone must be using tyrant guard.

So as far as I'm concerned they're a critical unit. They allow me to look at myself in the mirror without crying after I build one is these FUN lists.

Savage

[gigasnail]

i tried them a lot early on. i regretted it every time, barring one string of hot rolls with catalyst. this was long ago now though.

[irondreddknight]

If tyrant guard were closer to a warriors points cost, they'd be viable for sure.

To compare them with tau drones, you'd want to be paying 10p per wound.

[murderfiesta]

They actually did a good thing for me in one game. My Hive Tyrant got absolutely slammed by Lascannons and ate 10 wounds, passed 9 to the Tyrant Guard.

Granted, I could've simply brought a 2nd Hive Tyrant for something approximating those points, but I didn't have one available, so...

But yeah, Tyrant Guard are just bad.

[No One]

Yeah, t-guard are (generally) just worse than a flyrant. Could maybe have merit if you've got 'unique' tyrants (i.e. Swarmlord, maybe super-flyrant). But that's a lot of extra investment and is either hopefully irrelevant because out of LoS, or probably not enough if in LoS.

[mule]

my biggest gripe about them besides the obvious like points and the fact that they can just be shot first is that they're not even as fast as a tyrant or swarmlord.. worthless bodyguards

[N.I.B.]

Tyrant Guards feels like a sad remnant of old 40K. Clumsy and too many points, limited utility.

[mattblowers]

I ran three units of three of them in index 8th. I had a malanthrope in the middle and the rest of the points in flyrants. They were OK, certainly not great, but it did OK. We aren't in index 40K anymore and I don't see a way for them going forward.

[harry4tw]

Mar 13, 2020 12:57:32 GMT mattblowers said:

I ran three units of three of them in index 8th. I had a malanthrope in the middle and the rest of the points in flyrants. They were OK, certainly not great, but it did OK. We aren't in index 40K anymore and I don't see a way for them going forward.

I wonder when our next dex is coming out. Aren't we getting a part II? Maybe that'll fix the poor little dudes.

While it's really sad that one of our coolest models is (please do not swear), the cool thing is that they're an exception to the rule that most of our units are actually pretty usable outside of an elite tourny setting.

The haruspex and maleceptor which were considered overcosted and weak got very good strategems, warriors were kind of "meh" but got an extremely powerful strat, pyrovores which have a bad reputation are actually borderline decent.

It's an almost balanced codex without many god awful units. But every codex has one or two.

[N.I.B.]

The old TG metal models suck. But I wouldn't say they don't have a place in a tournament list. IIRC, zimko is adding a unit of TG to his proven tournament list, instead of a Tyrannocyte. They only need to keep the Tyrants alive for a turn or two, to let Swarmy do his thing.
Haruspex is still overcosted and weak imo, but that's not saying you can't add one and still do well in a tournament. deviousdonut grabbed 3rd at GenghisCon using one.

[mule]

Im sure if you take big units of them and adapt them they do fine, but why do that when warriors can do the same, just as many wounds and don't bleed as many points.

Just a bad unit imo.