First 8th edition list

[meximan]

I've been gone from the game for a few years and looking to start playing again with some friends.

Let me know what you think and what changes you would recommend. Thanks for looking!

FYI I haven't played a game yet, just came up with this after reading all the rules and watching some recent battle reports. So go easy on me haha, I have no idea if this will play like how I see it playing in my head.


13 CP 2000

Morthalius:(custom) Battalion 908
- metamorphic regrowth, feeding frenzy

250 Swarmlord
- smite, catalyst, onslaught
- warlord
115 Broodlord
- resonance barb
- smite, catalyst

240 20 Genestealers
- 5x acid maw, 20 scything talons
95 19 Hormagaunts
40 10 Termagaunts

168 Trygon Prime
- dermic symbiosis

Kronos Battalion 1092

75 Tyranid Prime
75 Tyranid Prime
90 Nuerothrope
- smite, symbiostorm

122 5 Warriors
- 4x deathspitters, venom cannon
122 5 Warriors
- 4x deathspitters, venom cannon
40 10 Termagaunts

258 6 Hive Guard

155 Exocrine
155 Exocrine

[No One]

I don't think you get anything for custom over Behemoth (+1 wound>feeding frenzy and gives some extra help on making combat) or Kraken (a lot of help for getting into combat).

Swarmlord Warlord is pointless: you want something survivable, since you sacrifice a WL trait for adapts (and SL WL is meh anyway).

Don't want double prime with 5 man warrior squads since you've got the neuro: they're not worth it buffing a 5 man, so you'd either want one near both units, or just don't bother. That'd give you the points to fill out the warriors (models permitting) or the horms.

Trygon should have AG, and I'm not really sure what he's doing in the list.

[meximan]

Mar 11, 2020 5:01:48 GMT No One said:

I don't think you get anything for custom over Behemoth (+1 wound>feeding frenzy and gives some extra help on making combat) or Kraken (a lot of help for getting into combat).

Swarmlord Warlord is pointless: you want something survivable, since you sacrifice a WL trait for adapts (and SL WL is meh anyway).

Don't want double prime with 5 man warrior squads since you've got the neuro: they're not worth it buffing a 5 man, so you'd either want one near both units, or just don't bother. That'd give you the points to fill out the warriors (models permitting) or the horms.

Trygon should have AG, and I'm not really sure what he's doing in the list.

Alright so I made some changes based on what you said. Keeping the Trygon though because I like the model and I like the idea of burrowing out with the horms if the situation allows it.


13 CP 1997

Kraken Battalion

181 Hive Tyrant
- monstrous boneswords, heavy venom canon
- smite, catalyst, onslaught
- warlord

115 Broodlord
- resonance barb
- smite, catalyst

240 20 Genestealers
- 5x acid maw, 20 scything talons
125 25 Hormagaunts
40 10 Termagaunts

173 Trygon Prime
- dermic symbiosis
- adrenal glands

Kronos Battalion

75 Tyranid Prime
90 Nuerothrope
- smite, symbiostorm

175 7 Warriors
- 5x deathspitters, 2x venom cannon
175 7 Warriors
- 5x deathspitters, 2x venom cannon
40 10 Termagaunts

258 6 Hive Guard

155 Exocrine
155 Exocrine

[No One]

I didn't mean to drop Swarmlord, just not have him as Warlord . With the stealers/horms, he's very strong: much more helpful than the tyrant, especially since he can double move himself. Since you're shouldn't be taking a WLT to get 2nd adapt on warriors/HG/an exo, just have your WL be neuro since it's Character protected and survivable. Just denies your opponent slay the WL VP.

[irondreddknight]

Id prefer to see the dermic simbiosis on the exos, adds another level of protection agaisnt turn 1 shooting. As well as keeping them firing at full accuracy for longer, makes better use of the symbiostorm power. But that's just ny taste

Id also say murderous size would be a good fit for the trygon. Brings it to S8 which makes a big difference against T7 and T8 targets which are the ideal targets with the multi damage.

[meximan]

Mar 13, 2020 0:34:18 GMT No One said:

I didn't mean to drop Swarmlord, just not have him as Warlord . With the stealers/horms, he's very strong: much more helpful than the tyrant, especially since he can double move himself. Since you're shouldn't be taking a WLT to get 2nd adapt on warriors/HG/an exo, just have your WL be neuro since it's Character protected and survivable. Just denies your opponent slay the WL VP.

Oh haha okay, then how about this

250 Swarmlord

- smite, catalyst, onslaught

115 Broodlord

- resonance barb

- smite, catalyst

​

240 20 Genestealers

- 5x acid maw, 20 scything talons

120 24 Hormagaunts

40 10 Termagaunts

​

173 Trygon Prime

- dermic symbiosis

- adrenal glands

​

Kronos Battalion

​

77 Tyranid Prime

- boneswords

90 Nuerothrope

- smite, symbiostorm
- warlord

​

246 9 Warriors

- 6x deathspitters, 3x venom cannon, 9x boneswords

40 10 Termagaunts

40 10 Termagaunts

​

258 6 Hive Guard

​

155 Exocrine

155 Exocrine

[divineguardian]

Hey, I run a similar list but what I've found is that if you dont run a at least 20 termagaunts for the reroll of 1s to wound, then there isnt much point in bringing them. Rippers fill the troop slot to get the CP and they are far cheaper, on top of being able to deepstrike on open objectives.

As for the Swarmlord id have him take horror instead of onslaught, I always find any -1 to hit on a big damage or lots of shots enemy is really useful.

For the Tyrgon, he is really fun when you give him murderous size to autowound most non invul vehicles. Along with adrenal glands relic, he can deepstrike and charge into a big target and get the charge off really easily. Also note if you bring a blog of 30 termagaunts with devourers with him in deep strike, they can drop 90 shots onto a target, re rolling 1s to wound.

Also if you can squeeze in some more genestealers somewhere thats always good, everyone fears the genestealers.

The Exocrines and hiveguard along with neurothrope are always good to bring with kronos. They will pack a punch.

Final Note is that having genestealers and a swarmlord in a list should make you want to run kraken hive fleet for them. For 1 CP you can slingshot your genestealers up to 30" on average along with the swarmlord.

[No One]

divineguardian said:

Hey, I run a similar list but what I've found is that if you dont run a at least 20 termagaunts for the reroll of 1s to wound, then there isnt much point in bringing them. Rippers fill the troop slot to get the CP and they are far cheaper, on top of being able to deepstrike on open objectives.

You don't take stock terms for output, so rr 1s isn't relevant (even if it was, rr 1s on 20 BS4+ S4 AP0 is very lackluster). You take them for bodies. Terms get min 10 bodies. Rippers get 3. Rippers are better for holding one objective. Terms are better for DS screens, physical screens, holding multiple objectives, Character protection etc, and get more value from adding bodies to these roles than rippers do. Both have a place.

That said, I'd agree that swapping 1 or 2 squads of terms out for rippers would be good for the DS objective options. Especially for Kronos strat.

As for the Swarmlord id have him take horror instead of onslaught, I always find any -1 to hit on a big damage or lots of shots enemy is really useful.

Running Swarmlord and horms, you 100% want onslaught somewhere. That's an extra 7" for a charge off double move. Now, should it maybe be on broodlord, being more valuable than cat? Depends on gameplan. Could a spare cat be swapped out for horror? Maybe, depending on opponent? Should you swap the only onslaught out for horror? Not normally, no.

Final Note is that having genestealers and a swarmlord in a list should make you want to run kraken hive fleet for them. For 1 CP you can slingshot your genestealers up to 30" on average along with the swarmlord.

With the new PA stuff, Behemoth is actually competitive with Kraken. Much more output with the +1 to wound spell, instead of a bit of extra mobility that may not be needed. I think either are reasonable, and will probably depend a bit on meta terrain i.e. if you have to hide stealers far back in DZ and there's no central LoS blockers? Probably Kraken. Can you hide aggressively? Behemoth. Also gives better DS options (trygon with AG), and though not in this list, scythes of tyran for flyrants.