Best relic for flyrant?

[hiveman75]

Im making a small 1250 point list and wondering what the best relic would be for it

Curretnly have Stronghold assault attacker kraken fleet with
Broodlord
Flyrant
Exocrine
Mawloc
And 40 genestealers

Its not quite at 1250 yet so let me know of any changes you can think of or if the relic should be on something else

[zimko]

A good relic to start with is Resonance Barb. Give your most valuable psychic powers to this psyker (Catalyst).

[No One]

Chameleonic (Kraken), barb, and/or scythes of tyran (Behemoth) are about the only relics worth bothering with. The bonus range/reroll relic may be worth on a dakka flyrant as well depending on how many you have.

Barbed isn't necessarily a flyrant relic, since you can protect it on a broodlord if you've got an important power to cast.

[harry4tw]

The barb is pretty incredible in general so it's worth considering, but a tyrant is a massive kick me sign so it's risky. I've used it to great effect though.

As decent an option as that is, I play kraken and prefer the chamelionic thingy because it can vastly improve survivability. A good trick is to keep venomthropes around for a total of -2 to hit. They're too slow to keep up with Hivey consistently but it's great protection if you deploy him regularly and don't get turn one. I've also had some luck with waddling the 'thropes up the board and retreating the tyrant back into their protection when he's down to a wound or two. The look on an ork player's face when he's beaten your flyrant within an inch of his life and it simply retreats to a position of invincibility versus their shooting and resumes casting and shooting with impunity is priceless.

[hannibal]

Totally agree with Chameolonic mutation on a Kraken flyrant. I also like the relic heavy venom cannon. 3 hots with a weapon profile is pretty good and with the flyrant movement it has a ridiculous threat range.

[No One]

harry4tw said:

The look on an ork player's face when he's beaten your flyrant within an inch of his life and it simply retreats to a position of invincibility versus their shooting and resumes casting and shooting with impunity is priceless.

...Orks always hit on 6s (and can always hit on 5s with strat), so that is literally pointless. Is strong, especially against other low BS armies e.g. guard or Tau.

[harry4tw]

Mar 6, 2020 1:57:32 GMT No One said:

harry4tw said:

The look on an ork player's face when he's beaten your flyrant within an inch of his life and it simply retreats to a position of invincibility versus their shooting and resumes casting and shooting with impunity is priceless.

...Orks always hit on 6s (and can always hit on 5s with strat), so that is literally pointless. Is strong, especially against other low BS armies e.g. guard or Tau.

I've been doing it wrong. Shame, man.

[phayze]

I've taken a liking to putting the Miasma Cannon on my Flyrant. I use him as a character assassin, normally in kronos (though the 3 shot HVC is a great contender in here and jormungandr walkrant). He's mobile and killy enough to take out important support characters on his own, the auto-hitting nature of it helps when his health is low, and it feels so good to remove a combat beast like Typhus when he charges (though that's only happened once so far) from overwatch.

Otherwise a pair of flyrants one with the Arachnyte Gland and one with Xenogenic Acid is fun. really makes your opponent have to choose which to target first.

[harry4tw]

Mar 15, 2020 9:07:02 GMT phayze said:

I've taken a liking to putting the Miasma Cannon on my Flyrant. I use him as a character assassin, normally in kronos (though the 3 shot HVC is a great contender in here and jormungandr walkrant). He's mobile and killy enough to take out important support characters on his own, the auto-hitting nature of it helps when his health is low, and it feels so good to remove a combat beast like Typhus when he charges (though that's only happened once so far) from overwatch.

Otherwise a pair of flyrants one with the Arachnyte Gland and one with Xenogenic Acid is fun. really makes your opponent have to choose which to target first.

I've been thinking of using this relic more. Paired with 3x harpies with double HVCs you have a ton of highly mobile anti tank/anti character shots. Not super powerful, but FUN.

[phayze]

I haven't tried harpies yet, but I HAVE tried 4 enhanced senses carnifex with HVC and devourers. The 3+ BS really helps them out over the harpies, but losing their shooting from getting tagged in melee is a downer. I'd just be worried that the 4+ BS combined with the relatively frail chassis wouldn't be worth it. I could see some use from the Stranglethorn Cannons, if you can get the +1 to hit from shooting at larger units, though outside of orks, nids, and massed intercessors you aren't going to see 10 model units often.

[harry4tw]

Mar 15, 2020 19:56:17 GMT phayze said:

I haven't tried harpies yet, but I HAVE tried 4 enhanced senses carnifex with HVC and devourers. The 3+ BS really helps them out over the harpies, but losing their shooting from getting tagged in melee is a downer. I'd just be worried that the 4+ BS combined with the relatively frail chassis wouldn't be worth it. I could see some use from the Stranglethorn Cannons, if you can get the +1 to hit from shooting at larger units, though outside of orks, nids, and massed intercessors you aren't going to see 10 model units often.

Good points. But 2 HVCs hitting on 4+ is decidedly better than one on 3+, plus there's the maneuverability advantage and the mortal wounds from mine drops. They're frail but also kind of force gunline armies to play your game and buy your some time if you're going for a turn 2 charge strategy.

[kazetanade]

Don't forget to put them into kraken so they can be uber annoying.

I still prefer Fexes though due to 1: 2+ sv, -1 to hit and T7, and 2: gun variety. Yes 2 HVCs are good, but having 1 HVC and 1Dev/Spitter is better. Nearly same price too .

As for flyrant, I'm keen on SoTyran for a behemoth one. It's not done AMAZING, but it's been OK, often compensating for the 1s I roll with 6s to balance out, and is a great toolkit to stuff Murderous Size on to deal with specific threats (4 wound guys, Knights). Barb is great on a shooty one, although caveats of no rerolls failed psychic means you still cab fail epicly. Considering miasma and max shots are both so-so (still d3 shots and 3+ respectively) it's basically chip damage and I don't like it for a relic slot which is uber ex IMO.

I wanted to experiment with arachnyte gland to be honest - 3d6 rr pick 2 is really good, and 4d6 rr pick 2 is almost secure charge. But as the Flyrant only has 4A base and doesn't naturally generate more A, it's hard to pass up the SoT while Kraken Flyrant would benefit more from cham.