2000 ITC

[darktemplar]

Hey hive,

I have to finalize a list in a week for a GT. I haven't played much ITC and looking for tips to tweak this list. I have 12 more hiveguard that I'm thinking of swapping in for the carnifi, but want to test this first. Also not sure on OOE/a third flyrant. Let me know what you think


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [73 PL, -2CP, 1,316pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kronos

Stratagem: Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact

Stratagem: Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 213pts]: Adrenal Glands, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Toxin Sacs, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots, Wings

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 217pts]: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: The Horror, The Miasma Cannon, Toxin Sacs, Warlord, Wings

+ Troops +

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

Termagants [3 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer)

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 258pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Enhanced Resistance
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon
. Hive Guard: Impaler Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [18 PL, 353pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms

Exocrine [11 PL, 155pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis

++ Patrol Detachment (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [16 PL, 295pts] ++

+ HQ +

Magus [5 PL, 92pts]: Familiar, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Mind Control

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [11 PL, 203pts]: Cult Icon
. 12x Acolyte Hybrid
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Autopistol, Heavy Rock Saw
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cultist Knife

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [20 PL, 389pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kronos

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 90pts]: Power: Symbiostorm, Resonance Barb

Old One Eye [10 PL, 200pts]

+ Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

++ Total: [109 PL, -2CP, 2,000pts] ++

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[darktemplar]

Would it be worth dropping some acolytes to get a patriarch? What about spending another cp to get a crouchling on the Magus? I'm not sure of the hive cult. Originally thought four armed emperor for the deny strat, but am now tempted by the new twisted helix spell to help my acolytes blend most infantry, wounding them on 2+ if they are t4 or t5 with a successful might from beyond.

[No One]

darktemplar said:

Would it be worth dropping some acolytes to get a patriarch?

Eh, probably not. Cutting that many acos means the squad's not going to function as you want it to. Might be worth dropping a fex though. Make sure you're difficult to shift if you get a hostage, and some Character protected cc.

What about spending another cp to get a crouchling on the Magus?

Almost certainly. Might is a huge increase in damage, and hyp lets you get into a lot of combats that you wouldn't be able to due to overwatch.

I'm not sure of the hive cult. Originally thought four armed emperor for the deny strat, but am now tempted by the new twisted helix spell to help my acolytes blend most infantry, wounding them on 2+ if they are t4 or t5 with a successful might from beyond.

Hmm...not sure. Cog, TH and FAE all have merit. Cog strat is better than TH power: the strat is really strong damage improvement against Imp. Since you're unlikely to really want them charging infantry outside of marines (unlikely to be a worthwhile trade), it just means you trade an unreliable source of bonus damage that competes with might hyp for a guaranteed (albeit 1 CP) source of damage. It does give you the S5 without relying on might though. FAE is powerful, but not sure if you've really got the CP.

[hammerhand]

I think the acolythes will have a hard time to get into combat. The need an 8 or 9" charge. I am not sold on this part of the list.

The tyranids part is ok, but I am not playing winged tyrants anymore. They are too difficult to hide. Old one eye needs min 2 turns to get into threat range. Without Swarmlord to get further or a lot of gaunts to shield him it is going to be really hard.

i like the magnus for mind control and deny overwatch. Instead of acos you could use neophytes. Just for the ambush deployment and some bodies for zoneing out aggressive opponents.

[No One]

hammerhand said:

I think the acolythes will have a hard time to get into combat. The need an 8 or 9" charge. I am not sold on this part of the list.

You PA them: it's effectively a 3d6 charge with 2 CP rerolls, but (generally) better.

[hammerhand]

stupid me, how could i forget?
trust me sometimes I do not even make it with augur of the insurgent

[darktemplar]

Yea the acos will be perfect ambushed. Thanks for the feedback! I will look into the cog. Yea agree about the patriarch option as I've min maxed the patrol to get an effective acolyte unit.

I have a theory that OOE will help with counter charge (list doesn't have much cc) and is amazing in the knight match up. There are lots of knights in my meta. Also will be good against any hold the mid board armies. I do realise I'm missing the slingshot though. One tyrant will likely deepstrike and I should be able to hide one. A third flyrant will get shot off fast, OOE can hide behind the flyrants too.

[darktemplar]

How much cp does it cost for 2x tyranid relics and 1x gsc relic? Total 2cp or 3cp ?

[beetlejuice]

2CP if you have a tyranid warlord to give one free tyranid relic. If the GSC relic is free from a GSC warlord then it’s 3CP for the tyranid strat. In the first case it’s 1CP each for two different stratagems, one from tyranids and one from GSC