Old One Eye (solo)

[harry4tw]

Is it ever worthwhile to take Old One Eye alone, or is he overcosted as a single monster that doesn't give out his buffs?

[irondreddknight]

He's a power house in his own right. As long as you can deliver him, swarmlord sling shot with onslaught is a great combination. There isnt much old one eye can wreck with the exploding attacks and fight twice. Don't forget to use voracious appetite to make sure those wounds go through.

[harry4tw]

Feb 27, 2020 19:01:59 GMT irondreddknight said:

He's a power house in his own right. As long as you can deliver him, swarmlord sling shot with onslaught is a great combination. There isnt much old one eye can wreck with the exploding attacks and fight twice. Don't forget to use voracious appetite to make sure those wounds go through.

Nice!! Might try podding the little dude.

[irondreddknight]

Podding will keep him being shot turn 1 and it can work nicely. But i find it has too many draw backs.

The cost of the pod.
Arrival on turn 2 at the ealiest.
Finding space on the board for the pod and old one eye within range of the preffered target.
Making the charge.

Of course theres ways around making the charge, weve got a lot a strats to help with it and you can always run behemoth or use the kraken spell.
But like i said above, i find the sling shot works best or simply use his character key word to walk him safely over the board using a screen.

[brianb9999]

Feb 28, 2020 7:23:02 GMT irondreddknight said:

Podding will keep him being shot turn 1 and it can work nicely. But i find it has too many draw backs.

The cost of the pod.
Arrival on turn 2 at the ealiest.
Finding space on the board for the pod and old one eye within range of the preffered target.
Making the charge.

Of course theres ways around making the charge, weve got a lot a strats to help with it and you can always run behemoth or use the kraken spell.
But like i said above, i find the sling shot works best or simply use his character key word to walk him safely over the board using a screen.

Why would you be afraid of him getting shot turn 1 as a 9 wound character? IMO, Old One Eye is one of our best (and only good melee threat besides Broodlords) units to take advantage of character targeting rules. I've never actually used him to buff other carnifexes, but I have used him as described earlier with Swarmlord, or as a legit counterattack threat. Either hide him behind a wall of gaunts and strike when the time is right (and overrun back behind the gaunts), or torpedo him up the board with Swarmlord. There is an episode of The Art of War where the Tyranid player describes his use of OOE and how he charges tough targets, then overruns back behind the gaunt wall. Definitely worth a listen.

[irondreddknight]

Feb 28, 2020 11:27:06 GMT brianb9999 said:

Feb 28, 2020 7:23:02 GMT irondreddknight said:

Podding will keep him being shot turn 1 and it can work nicely. But i find it has too many draw backs.

The cost of the pod.
Arrival on turn 2 at the ealiest.
Finding space on the board for the pod and old one eye within range of the preffered target.
Making the charge.

Of course theres ways around making the charge, weve got a lot a strats to help with it and you can always run behemoth or use the kraken spell.
But like i said above, i find the sling shot works best or simply use his character key word to walk him safely over the board using a screen.

Why would you be afraid of him getting shot turn 1 as a 9 wound character? IMO, Old One Eye is one of our best (and only good melee threat besides Broodlords) units to take advantage of character targeting rules. I've never actually used him to buff other carnifexes, but I have used him as described earlier with Swarmlord, or as a legit counterattack threat. Either hide him behind a wall of gaunts and strike when the time is right (and overrun back behind the gaunts), or torpedo him up the board with Swarmlord. There is an episode of The Art of War where the Tyranid player describes his use of OOE and how he charges tough targets, then overruns back behind the gaunt wall. Definitely worth a listen.

I had eliminators in mind, but your point is valid he's pretty safe as long as you screen.

[harry4tw]

Feb 28, 2020 13:18:10 GMT irondreddknight said:

Feb 28, 2020 11:27:06 GMT brianb9999 said:

Why would you be afraid of him getting shot turn 1 as a 9 wound character? IMO, Old One Eye is one of our best (and only good melee threat besides Broodlords) units to take advantage of character targeting rules. I've never actually used him to buff other carnifexes, but I have used him as described earlier with Swarmlord, or as a legit counterattack threat. Either hide him behind a wall of gaunts and strike when the time is right (and overrun back behind the gaunts), or torpedo him up the board with Swarmlord. There is an episode of The Art of War where the Tyranid player describes his use of OOE and how he charges tough targets, then overruns back behind the gaunt wall. Definitely worth a listen.

I had eliminators in mind, but your point is valid he's pretty safe as long as you screen.

His character status won't help him at my friend's gaming table. We use a common sense approach with regard to targeting. He's not some squad Sargeant who can't be targeted as he hides among the rank and file, he's a gigantic monster so you can target him freely. I'm actually very passionate about this house rule and it's one of the reasons I don't seek out new opponents more aggressively, RAW is just narratively stupid in this respect and numerous armies have units that exploit this god awful rule.

Tirade aside, I'm liking the pod because it offers protection from being shot off the board.

[No One]

If you're not playing the rules, he's just bad. He got more expensive going from Index to Codex to lose that 1 wound. Because without it, he's incredibly squishy with no mobility: to then pay another almost 100 pts for poor delivery? Don't bother.

Also, I have no idea why you asked this question, when you are quite literally playing a different game with respect to this than the rest of us.

[harry4tw]

Feb 28, 2020 13:55:43 GMT No One said:

If you're not playing the rules, he's just bad. He got more expensive going from Index to Codex to lose that 1 wound. Because without it, he's incredibly squishy with no mobility: to then pay another almost 100 pts for poor delivery? Don't bother.

Also, I have no idea why you asked this question, when you are quite literally playing a different game with respect to this than the rest of us.

Still kinda felt like getting people's input. I use the same datasheet as everyone else with a single exception, and the spirit of the question largely boils down to weather he does enough damage for his points value.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Without character protection? Definitely not.
With character protection? You need the right delivery system.

[Hive Bahamut]

^This. He went up in points, lost W to gain the protection. If you don't like the rule from "righteous ruling" you might as well ask what chess piece to use while playing checkers.

On a more serious note, you can always pass it off to his Alpha leader in that the units in front are jumping around (not static models) adding to the fact he is a slumpen hunched ol spikey ribbed dinosaur potato making it hard to shoot.


You are better off houseruling a range the character has to be to keep protection than throwing a rule out entirely due to head canon. As someone who enjoys fluffy stuffs, there is ZERO point to nerfing Nids, GW does just fine.

[kazetanade]

Feb 28, 2020 16:25:32 GMT harry4tw said:

Feb 28, 2020 13:55:43 GMT No One said:

If you're not playing the rules, he's just bad. He got more expensive going from Index to Codex to lose that 1 wound. Because without it, he's incredibly squishy with no mobility: to then pay another almost 100 pts for poor delivery? Don't bother.

Also, I have no idea why you asked this question, when you are quite literally playing a different game with respect to this than the rest of us.

Still kinda felt like getting people's input. I use the same datasheet as everyone else with a single exception, and the spirit of the question largely boils down to weather he does enough damage for his points value.

He is costed just fine on his own considering the potential trade, in the context of the normal game. If you have to bring a pod in for him, he gets expensive really fast, and that charge is a bad one, I wouldnt bother at that point. 

If you dont want to use him as a Character though, you might as well just bring basic Carnifexen, you can afford 3 for the price of OOE and some extra.

[No One]

harry4tw said:

Still kinda felt like getting people's input. I use the same datasheet as everyone else with a single exception, and the spirit of the question largely boils down to weather he does enough damage for his points value.

In the context of a normal game, yes. Because he can survive to make combat fairly reliably (post combat, less so, but he can do enough damage to make a suicide play worth it).

With your houserule? No. Because he doesn't make combat reliably. That's basically like asking 'is Swarmlord any good'? Then saying 'oh, I don't use Hive Commander. But it's the same datasheet with one exception'. As above, bring triple fex if you want melee punch: 3 times the survivability, I think about half the damage per model. (So, way more than OOE no matter how you look at it).

[gigasnail]

Without character protection, best of luck to you. If he lives it's because your opponent has failed at some stage, whether its in list building, target priority, or deployment.

Actually playing the rules, he's a beast if used properly.

[hiveoverall]

Feb 28, 2020 13:36:20 GMT harry4tw said:

Feb 28, 2020 13:18:10 GMT irondreddknight said:

I had eliminators in mind, but your point is valid he's pretty safe as long as you screen.

His character status won't help him at my friend's gaming table. We use a common sense approach with regard to targeting. He's not some squad Sargeant who can't be targeted as he hides among the rank and file, he's a gigantic monster so you can target him freely. I'm actually very passionate about this house rule and it's one of the reasons I don't seek out new opponents more aggressively, RAW is just narratively stupid in this respect and numerous armies have units that exploit this god awful rule.

Tirade aside, I'm liking the pod because it offers protection from being shot off the board.

"Common sense" in 8th is stupid, the immersion has been taken out for this edition, so as to provide (in theory) a more streamlined approach. I think 8th is overall good, but you simply can't houserule it, or even play anything but matched play, unless you show your list before the game to your opponent, and you both know what the other is bringing. Because units are so badly balanced agains each other