10 damage hive tyrant

[strifethot]

I’ve been brewing with hive tyrants and I found an interesting combo.


Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 228pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Catalyst, Power: Unstoppable Hunger, The Reaper of Obilterax, Toxin Sacs, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings
. Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size

In addition you use voracious appetite strat and adrenaline surge strat. On a 6 you deal 9-10 damage( not sure if reaper of obiterax cones before or after toxin sacks. If you cast unstoppable hunger on yourself you deal that much damage on 5+. All rerolling and fighting twice and costing 4cp a turn. What do y’all think

[zimko]

The FAQ says toxin sacs are applied after multiplying. Murderous size though is not in the FAQ, and is specifically alters the weapon's damage (it's not a modifier to the attack's damage like toxin sacs) so I'd say it is applied before multiplying, totally 9 damage.

It's pretty good, especially with the behemoth power. But it's a tough call comparing it to Scythes of Tyran. AP -4 is pretty huge and pops open a lot of vehicles without a chance at a save. You also get +1 attack and a chance at more attacks. But your damage caps at 5 instead of 9 per attack. So idk, I like both.

[kilexo]

Feb 4, 2020 2:22:14 GMT strifethot said:

I’ve been brewing with hive tyrants and I found an interesting combo.


Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 228pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Catalyst, Power: Unstoppable Hunger, The Reaper of Obilterax, Toxin Sacs, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings
. Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size

In addition you use voracious appetite strat and adrenaline surge strat. On a 6 you deal 9-10 damage( not sure if reaper of obiterax cones before or after toxin sacks. If you cast unstoppable hunger on yourself you deal that much damage on 5+. All rerolling and fighting twice and costing 4cp a turn. What do y’all think

I run this alot against AM, Charge a baneblade with some Termagaunts to soak overwatch and then charge with the reaper of obliterax. Give it the legendary fighter trait so it +1 to its attacks on all successful charges and away you go! 
 
You can also use the Strat to re-reoll failed wound rolls (then make it +1 to Damage using the Strat pathogenic slime) and then make it fight again (I think using another Strat). thats alot of CP but if you need to take down that pesky baneblade or something with 40+ wounds.

Ive had it do like 50+ wounds in 1 fight phase. Not bad for a 250point model.

[zimko]

Feb 4, 2020 16:43:20 GMT kilexo said:

Feb 4, 2020 2:22:14 GMT strifethot said:

I’ve been brewing with hive tyrants and I found an interesting combo.


Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 228pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Catalyst, Power: Unstoppable Hunger, The Reaper of Obilterax, Toxin Sacs, Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms, Wings
. Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size

In addition you use voracious appetite strat and adrenaline surge strat. On a 6 you deal 9-10 damage( not sure if reaper of obiterax cones before or after toxin sacks. If you cast unstoppable hunger on yourself you deal that much damage on 5+. All rerolling and fighting twice and costing 4cp a turn. What do y’all think

I run this alot against AM, Charge a baneblade with some Termagaunts to soak overwatch and then charge with the reaper of obliterax. Give it the legendary fighter trait so it +1 to its attacks on all successful charges and away you go! 
 
You can also use the Strat to re-reoll failed wound rolls (then make it +1 to Damage using the Strat pathogenic slime) and then make it fight again (I think using another Strat). thats alot of CP but if you need to take down that pesky baneblade or something with 40+ wounds.

Ive had it do like 50+ wounds in 1 fight phase. Not bad for a 250point model.

Pathogenic slime is only usable in the shooting phase. And if you use a warlord trait, you can't use murderous size for +1 strength, +1 ap and +1 damage. So the best you can get is 9 damage per swing at 4 swings. That's still really good but just make sure you read your strategems before you use them.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Feb 4, 2020 19:14:05 GMT zimko said:

Feb 4, 2020 16:43:20 GMT kilexo said:

I run this alot against AM, Charge a baneblade with some Termagaunts to soak overwatch and then charge with the reaper of obliterax. Give it the legendary fighter trait so it +1 to its attacks on all successful charges and away you go! 
 
You can also use the Strat to re-reoll failed wound rolls (then make it +1 to Damage using the Strat pathogenic slime) and then make it fight again (I think using another Strat). thats alot of CP but if you need to take down that pesky baneblade or something with 40+ wounds.

Ive had it do like 50+ wounds in 1 fight phase. Not bad for a 250point model.

Pathogenic slime is only usable in the shooting phase. And if you use a warlord trait, you can't use murderous size for +1 strength, +1 ap and +1 damage. So the best you can get is 9 damage per swing at 4 swings. That's still really good but just make sure you read your strategems before you use them.

Can't you use the strat to get you murderous size on your warlord?

[zimko]

Hmm, yeah it looks like that is possible. You can only have 1 adaptive physiology in the army then though. So as long as you're ok losing Enhanced Resistance on Hive Guard or 5++ on Exocrine... you can have +1 attack on this Tyrant. Oh, and since he'll be your warlord he's a pretty easy 'Slay the Warlord' for your opponent since usually our warlord is a Neurothrope or some character that doesn't go to the front.

[arsonfire]

I see no reason you couldn't keep a warlord trait on the tyrant, and use the Progeny of the Hive stratagem to also put an adaptive physiology on it.
You can't stack two adaptive physiologies onto one model, but there's nothing saying they won't stack with a warlord trait.

So if you wanted to stack as much damage into each attack as possible, you could go Reaper of Obliterax + Murderous Size, Toxin Sacs, and Monstrous Hunger (the behemoth warlord trait), for 10 damage.

EDIT: Just to clarify, it's a terrible idea to stack all your limited upgrades onto one model like that. But it's fun to think about

[No One]

zimko said:

The FAQ says toxin sacs are applied after multiplying. Murderous size though is not in the FAQ, and is specifically alters the weapon's damage (it's not a modifier to the attack's damage like toxin sacs) so I'd say it is applied before multiplying, totally 9 damage.

I'll disagree: it's still a modifier, it's just applied to the weapon. Since reaper also applies to the weapon's damage, you multiply, then add. Unlike strength buffs, which (usually) apply to the model, and then the weapon uses that to multiply.

[zimko]

Feb 5, 2020 1:04:00 GMT No One said:

zimko said:

The FAQ says toxin sacs are applied after multiplying. Murderous size though is not in the FAQ, and is specifically alters the weapon's damage (it's not a modifier to the attack's damage like toxin sacs) so I'd say it is applied before multiplying, totally 9 damage.

I'll disagree: it's still a modifier, it's just applied to the weapon. Since reaper also applies to the weapon's damage, you multiply, then add. Unlike strength buffs, which (usually) apply to the model, and then the weapon uses that to multiply.

 /shrug I don't think it'll matter much. But you're probably right.