The Greater Good - GSC/AM

[kelermorph]

Feb 2, 2020 9:46:58 GMT wighti said:

Jan 30, 2020 23:35:22 GMT bigpig said:

This seems to be the trend. Really hope they nerf successor chapters for SM to not get all the parent chapter buffs in the FAQ.

After the first book, almost everyone has gotten some kind of mono faction Buff for running a pure list. Interesting to see if that pans out for GSC.

Other than that, I'm in agreement. Some 'gems, traits, spells and build-a-creed.

Not saying thats bad, it might be just what we need but we'll know soon enough.

Personally hoping that we'd get some strategem support for units that dont have any or need IT badly. (Purestrains, metamorphs, neophytes etc)

The problem is GSC is extremely cp hungry as is, so i don’t know if we have the cp for more stratagems. I hope they come up with something else to help us out. Not expecting that tho

[acehilator]

wighti: Which factions got any buffs tied to staying mono-faction besides SM?

[wighti]

Feb 2, 2020 12:03:45 GMT acehilator said:

wighti: Which factions got any buffs tied to staying mono-faction besides SM?

GK, Sisters? Though admittably they were a codex release and GK are marines too.

[bigpig]

Feb 2, 2020 9:46:58 GMT wighti said:

Jan 30, 2020 23:35:22 GMT bigpig said:

This seems to be the trend. Really hope they nerf successor chapters for SM to not get all the parent chapter buffs in the FAQ.

After the first book, almost everyone has gotten some kind of mono faction Buff for running a pure list. Interesting to see if that pans out for GSC.

Other than that, I'm in agreement. Some 'gems, traits, spells and build-a-creed.

Not saying thats bad, it might be just what we need but we'll know soon enough.

Personally hoping that we'd get some strategem support for units that dont have any or need IT badly. (Purestrains, metamorphs, neophytes etc)

No, Marines got more than everyone else as it relates to Successor Chapters. Marines are the only ones who can basically take a "build a bug" and still get parent chapters strats and core mono faction benefit. If nids had the same benefits as marines, I could do a build a bug and say it was a Kraken splinter fleet. I would then get the Kraken strats and Psyhic powers and relics, PLUS get the 2 build a bug I pick. The only downside would be I don't get Kraken named character (Yes, I know.... but for purpose of argument) and I have to pay 1CP to get Kraken relics. Think of it being what we get with build a bug PLUS getting any hive fleets relics, powers, and strats. It increases marine synergy so much. So far Chaos, nids, eldar, and probably Tau soon enough will not have that.

[hiveoverall]

Feb 3, 2020 7:27:14 GMT bigpig said:

Feb 2, 2020 9:46:58 GMT wighti said:

After the first book, almost everyone has gotten some kind of mono faction Buff for running a pure list. Interesting to see if that pans out for GSC.

Other than that, I'm in agreement. Some 'gems, traits, spells and build-a-creed.

Not saying thats bad, it might be just what we need but we'll know soon enough.

Personally hoping that we'd get some strategem support for units that dont have any or need IT badly. (Purestrains, metamorphs, neophytes etc)

No, Marines got more than everyone else as it relates to Successor Chapters. Marines are the only ones who can basically take a "build a bug" and still get parent chapters strats and core mono faction benefit. If nids had the same benefits as marines, I could do a build a bug and say it was a Kraken splinter fleet. I would then get the Kraken strats and Psyhic powers and relics, PLUS get the 2 build a bug I pick. The only downside would be I don't get Kraken named character (Yes, I know.... but for purpose of argument) and I have to pay 1CP to get Kraken relics. Think of it being what we get with build a bug PLUS getting any hive fleets relics, powers, and strats. It increases marine synergy so much. So far Chaos, nids, eldar, and probably Tau soon enough will not have that.

I am really afraid of what Tau will get. The army atm is such as only a few busted strats could make them really problematic

[swarm492]

Not saying anyone is wrong regarding the differences between rules released for marines and rules released for basicly everyone else. I just can't seem to get myself all hot and bothered by it. Maybe it's because 9th is coming soon and the dexes will need a reprint. I can't say.

I'm living a pretty stress free hobby life though. How stress free you ask? I'm working on some chaos spawn atm. That's pretty god damn stress free lol.

[drrickmarshall]

did yall see they are bringing the kelermorph back for this? im very excited

[Hive Bahamut]

Both should have been released with codex. Drip feeding models to other armies to make it seem like it isn't just 8th Edition Astartes.

[purestrain]

1cp for 18 str 6 ap-3 3 dmg flamer, yikes, along with that 9 shot str 10 ap-4 3dmg with d3 mortals vs vehicles on a 6+.

I scare Y'Varha

[kazetanade]

Pls. You're scaring the children. I might have to swear off gsc for good.

[mule]

Feb 2, 2020 9:56:27 GMT kelermorph said:

Feb 2, 2020 9:46:58 GMT wighti said:

After the first book, almost everyone has gotten some kind of mono faction Buff for running a pure list. Interesting to see if that pans out for GSC.

Other than that, I'm in agreement. Some 'gems, traits, spells and build-a-creed.

Not saying thats bad, it might be just what we need but we'll know soon enough.

Personally hoping that we'd get some strategem support for units that dont have any or need IT badly. (Purestrains, metamorphs, neophytes etc)

The problem is GSC is extremely cp hungry as is, so i don’t know if we have the cp for more stratagems. I hope they come up with something else to help us out. Not expecting that tho

Cut abberants. Theyre not worth all the cp you have to dump.

[mule]

Feb 3, 2020 8:15:57 GMT hiveoverall said:

Feb 3, 2020 7:27:14 GMT bigpig said:

No, Marines got more than everyone else as it relates to Successor Chapters. Marines are the only ones who can basically take a "build a bug" and still get parent chapters strats and core mono faction benefit. If nids had the same benefits as marines, I could do a build a bug and say it was a Kraken splinter fleet. I would then get the Kraken strats and Psyhic powers and relics, PLUS get the 2 build a bug I pick. The only downside would be I don't get Kraken named character (Yes, I know.... but for purpose of argument) and I have to pay 1CP to get Kraken relics. Think of it being what we get with build a bug PLUS getting any hive fleets relics, powers, and strats. It increases marine synergy so much. So far Chaos, nids, eldar, and probably Tau soon enough will not have that.

I am really afraid of what Tau will get. The army atm is such as only a few busted strats could make them really problematic

Theyre not problematic. They cant handle new aeldari lists theyll be pushed out of the meta. They need more tools to make sure theyre not stuck going triptide and drones.

If they have more viable tools then it means there will be more viable counters.

Genestealers needed something to prevent falling back. Thats all.

[sasel]

1 CP - The Heart of the Creed - One per Battle - Primus - Meticulous Planner on two opposing units

[killercroc]

Feb 4, 2020 1:36:38 GMT purestrain said:

1cp for 18 str 6 ap-3 3 dmg flamer, yikes, along with that 9 shot str 10 ap-4 3dmg with d3 mortals vs vehicles on a 6+.

I scare Y'Varha

CP Then: 1 CP for "hey look at this minor tactic I can do to alter the battlefield while still being fluffy".

CP Now: 1 CP for you to get F'ed

Honestly the more stuff that comes out the more my interest to play drops. 40k is really turning harder and harder into WarmaHordes "It's not OP if everything is OP" which is why I stopped playing that even though I loved the models and lore.

I'm going to wait and see what PA gets as both GSC and IG are two armies I have and like. I don't think Guard are in a bad spot as the army has a lot of flexibility and variations on how to play but some stuff to bring them more up to date would be nice. I'll see what the "Build-A-Regiment" but I'll most likely stick with Cadian as the order focused gun line w/ bodies is a fun way to play them.

GSC on the other hand... I'll just say I don't like GSC as they are. With the no cult bonus on vehicles or Stealers for the most brain dead of reasons you're stuck with the cult infantry which are pretty over priced if you ask me. Everything is T3 5+ with 3-4 wounds but just because it has one ability the cost is double what a similar Imperial unit would be, and a few units abilities and combos are hard to pull off with CP farm being hard nerfed, 1 character per detachment and the amount of anti-character weapons on the rise. I know people in tournies do well with them but I always see the same lists being run and the same tactics getting used "Flamer acolytes with rocksaws" is the answer to everything which is boring as heck in my opinion. Who wants to play and army that has only like 3-4 viable units for anything more than the most casual of casual games? I really like Aberrants with their models and fluff, finally getting plastics after waiting for so long and they had sweet sculpts and abilities just to get a point bump that pushes them almost out of functionality because they could actually do something. They were already expensive as beans, 16 points for a S5 2W T4 model with FnP and dmg reduction is still rather expensive with no guns, no armor, no real wargear options either but no-no that's too OP plz nerf meanwhile most marine units got shootier, fightier, extra wounds and a points drop on top of that.

I don't want to compare everything to SM but in the current game how can you not? Also when everyone I play is just another flavor of marines it's not like I have a big ball of variant opponents to play with.

I've already gone from playing 1-2 games a weekend to 1 game a month and mostly focused on building models (new small Death Guard army) but really this latest PA will really reflect if my games will go to 0 a month while I just build what I've already bought. That and video games..

[kaervek]

Promising strats being shown in the Tau faction focus. 

If AM get the same strat (fire D6 weps at max for 1CP) it's still an option we have. I get some people want to do "pure" GSC but pride has to be dropped sometimes.

I just want GSC point updates.. And good ones. Bringing Aberrants back down to where they need to be, Purestrains going down, characters going down (some may argue this.. but as a BA player as well.. Paying 80 points for a Magus or 75 for a Primus that melt like better is NOT the right cost)

Faction focus coming soon at least. And I'm excited for whichever of GSC and AM comes out first!