Revisiting Haruspex after PA

[irondreddknight]

Ive been throwing ideas around on battle scribe and i came up with this combination.

Haruspex + Metamorphic regrowth + accelerated digestion

Along with grasping tongue and rapacious hunger, the haruspex can potentially regain up to 7 wounds per turn.

I chose prey sight as the other custom hive fleet adaptation, to gain a 3+WS on the 1st turn of combat.

Now im not saying this is game breaking, far from it. But it just might give our haruspex's some game time.

I was thinking old one eye would work well in the same detachment as his attacks will explode on 3's (talons) due to prey sight.

[v0iddrgn]

I think the Haruspex got exactly what it needed in BoB. I have tried to make it work since the codex dropped and always felt it didn't need a big bump to make it good. Rerolls to hit was the missing element. I'm running mine with Murderous Size since Ravenous Maw is a bit underwhelming on it's own. Haruspex doesn't need to be invincible, it just needs to be a thorn that actually kills stuff.

[LordPathos]

But it shouldn't be viable due to stratagems, Hive Fleet traits, or physiologies. It should be viable on its own.

[v0iddrgn]

In a perfect world. Same could be said for IH.

[afewveiws]

Non of what has been provided fixes the biggest problem with the hauraspex, it has to survive long enough to make it to a target that it can heal off of. 7 wounds a turn after turn 2 if you put dedication into getting him to the enemy front line. After this he can do well against many targets but face it, its a big model that would be a target to take out especially after the firat turn you dump resources into covering ground.

In reality all your doing is putting more resources into a more expensive distractofex.

Since marines are getting so much love and is a widely played competitive sub group of armies, pit him agaist equal points of popular marine units and give them equal cp. I would wager before analysing that the marine side would still have the uper hand.

[v0iddrgn]

Awesome. End of thread.

[No One]

Played a digestive flyrant at an 800 pts tournament yesterday. Even with 4++ and 16" move (+Fly/AG/onslaught/Swamlord) to make combat T1, it still just died. The regen mattered once in a practice game, but even then it was quite 'win more', letting me easily close out the game after my flyrant tanked his entire army's firepower point blank and lived. Conversely, most of the other games he half died T1, then died T2. The games he didn't, either couldn't regain wounds because didn't manage to kill stuff in combat/was falling back to shoot+psychic effectively, or was just on full the entire game (800 pts can be quite swingy).

Haruspex has way less mobility, less survivability, and doesn't have added utility in Fly/psychic/shooting. So...still a pass.

[NidNoms]

Jan 19, 2020 0:11:40 GMT afewveiws said:

Non of what has been provided fixes the biggest problem with the hauraspex, it has to survive long enough to make it to a target that it can heal off of. 7 wounds a turn after turn 2 if you put dedication into getting him to the enemy front line. After this he can do well against many targets but face it, its a big model that would be a target to take out especially after the firat turn you dump resources into covering ground.

In reality all your doing is putting more resources into a more expensive distractofex.

Since marines are getting so much love and is a widely played competitive sub group of armies, pit him agaist equal points of popular marine units and give them equal cp. I would wager before analysing that the marine side would still have the uper hand.

why not put it into a spore and deepstrike, or have it come out with the Trigons burrow ability? i feel that can put it will within attack/charging range.

[No One]

And then it's got to make a 9" charge with no AG, or survive their entire armies shooting in optimal range. It can also never come up with a trygon, because it's an MC...

[bigpig]

Jan 19, 2020 22:11:03 GMT NidNoms said:

Jan 19, 2020 0:11:40 GMT afewveiws said:

Non of what has been provided fixes the biggest problem with the hauraspex, it has to survive long enough to make it to a target that it can heal off of. 7 wounds a turn after turn 2 if you put dedication into getting him to the enemy front line. After this he can do well against many targets but face it, its a big model that would be a target to take out especially after the firat turn you dump resources into covering ground.

In reality all your doing is putting more resources into a more expensive distractofex.

Since marines are getting so much love and is a widely played competitive sub group of armies, pit him agaist equal points of popular marine units and give them equal cp. I would wager before analysing that the marine side would still have the uper hand.

why not put it into a spore and deepstrike, or have it come out with the Trigons burrow ability? i feel that can put it will within attack/charging range.

So lands a charge less than 50% of the time when it comes up? Still doesn't work. You can divert all kinds of resources to try and help land that charge, but now you are still just gambling bigger. For a one off game with bro's over beers, YES! For serious competitive play, no

[naviedzony]

By taking the transport just to have 50% chance of Haruspex charging, you basically make Haruspex 75 pts more expensive. It's not a good unit and pumping it with stratagems and point additions will make it better, but you could actually do the same with a good unit and make it awesome.

[aruair]

I like Haruspexes now and I liked them before. Mine never really did anything though. There’s some MathHammer in this article about Haruspexes if you’re interested though.


www.hostilegalaxy.com/2019/12/12/tyranid-tactics-hungry-hungry-haruspexes/

[gigasnail]

or, you could give those things to a flyrant that doesn't have to waddle around buildings and can make use of them by actually getting into combat.

i dunno fellas. y'all tell me.

[bolk]

Just the fact that it can't take any biomorphs kills it for me. It's just better to put the points into Carnifexes.

[kazetanade]

2 Haruspex. 1 TFex. 2 Exocrenes. 1 Maleceptor. Add SL and Malanthrope, and we are GO.

Edit: the why - go look for the maths elsewhere, but T8 is the best chassis to benefit from Encaphalic Diffusion. Haruspex happens to be a T8 elite...

I dunno if it's any good competitively, but it'll be a frustratingly troll beer and pretzel.