Endless Swarm good?

[bolzor]

Jan 12, 2020 13:41:55 GMT No One said:

The logic is, that the stratagem gives a "temporary" (i.e. time period) buff to the unit, which per FAQ doesn't work on endless swarm (e.g. just because it's "identical", doesn't mean you get to keep cat). Now, the time period is the entire battle, so...maybe, maybe not RAI. But RAW, it seems pretty clear cut (albeit on sort of semantics): it's a buff on a time period, ES doesn't let you keep it. Unlike WL/free relic, which don't have a time period.

(And RAI...I think they've demonstrated their leanings on nids in the FAQ).

I have yet to purchase BoB so I've never read the exact wording of the Phys Adaptation rules. If it says "until the end of the battle" for both the Warlord tradeoff adaptation and the extra stratagem adaptation then it sounds like we wouldn't get the buff on respawn. If they are worded differently then they should fire their rules editor and release another errata to make sure they are both treated the same.

The implication is that the buff is impermanent so a newly spawned unit couldn't keep it. Just as a unit of genestealers who got Aggressive Adaptation buff wouldn't spawn again with the extra -1 AP.

[No One]

It has that wording for both default and strat: "That Adaptive Physiology applies to the selected
model or unit until the end of the battle."
"and then select one Adaptive
Physiology to apply to that unit or model until the
end of the battle."

[naviedzony]

The article stating that "Endless Swarm" is good is actually harmful in a way, that some new player will get all excited about it, try it several times, see that it really do not work and maybe get frustrated and quit Nids, because why play Nids when SM can do everything better?

[hammerhand]

I agree "Endless Swarm" is not good. You have to reserve points and it is situational. Nonetheless I played a few times with a hydra similar to this (while not incredibly good, can make a fun game):
Batallion I
2 x 1 Broodlord
2 x 25 Termagants
1 x Ripper
2 x 5 shock cannon hive guard

Batallion II
1 x Broodlord
1 x Neurothrope
3 x 16 Genestealer
1 x Maleceptor

before blood of baal i did not use the maleceptor. I just had more Termagaunts + hormagaunts. It is ~1800 points, you can bring back 2 units of Termagaunts, a unit of genestealer, Broodlord and rippers or a unit of shock guard. Not award winning but fun to play because you bring back what you need. As the broodlords an genestealer push aggressively forward you will loose a lot of models Usually I had to bring back the shock cannons. Do not forget that shock cannons love onslaught - I usually minced a lot of tanks the first two or three rounds.
With the new adaptive physiologies you can give the guard probably enhanced resistance. Combined with the maleceptor I think I have to try this army once again.

[Gulg]

The best part of this stratagem. It can save you a lot of time and money! Put 2 units of 30 gants in reserve for when the ones on the board die, and that’s 60 gants you don’t have to buy, assemble and paint... Beautiful!