Excess CP?

[dandc]

I've written a list based on BC laser spam plus a super resilient abo/aberrant drop. I'm pretty happy with it, but as it stands it has 3 Battalions at 1500pts, including 120 points of brood brother filler. Is this excessive for a 1500 point game? Wondering if I should drop the BBs for 120 points more damage output (2 ridgerunners, for example).

Not posting this in army lists because this is about the CP question, but the list is here if interested:

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++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [22 PL, 4CP, 408pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

Cult Creed: The Bladed Cog

Detachment CP [5CP]

Stratagem: Broodcoven [-1CP]

Stratagem: Grandsire's Gifts [-3CP]: 2 Extra Sacred Relics

+ HQ +

Acolyte Iconward [3 PL, 53pts]

Jackal Alphus [4 PL, 70pts]

+ Troops +

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 62pts]
. 8x Neophyte Hybrid
. Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): Mining Laser
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 74pts]
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 2x Mining Laser
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 74pts]
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 2x Mining Laser
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

+ Elites +

Kelermorph [3 PL, 75pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [35 PL, 3CP, 692pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Cult Creed: The Bladed Cog

Detachment CP [5CP]

Specialist Detachment: Anointed Throng [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Abominant [6 PL, -1CP, 105pts]: Mark of the Clawed Omnissiah, Stratagem: Field Commander, Warlord Trait: Insidious Mindwyrm

Acolyte Iconward [3 PL, 53pts]: Icon of the Cult Ascendant

+ Troops +

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 74pts]
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 2x Mining Laser
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 74pts]
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 2x Mining Laser
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 74pts]
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 2x Mining Laser
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

+ Elites +

Aberrants [14 PL, 312pts]
. 8x Aberrant (Pick): 8x Power Pick
. 2x Aberrant Hypermorph (Improvised): 2x Heavy Improvised Weapon

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [24 PL, 5CP, 400pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Cult Creed: None (Mixed Detachment)

Detachment CP [5CP]

+ HQ +

Magus [4 PL, 80pts]: Broodcoven Magus, Warlord Trait: Inscrutable Cunning

Patriarch [7 PL, 125pts]: Warlord, Warlord Trait: Single-minded Obsession

Primus [4 PL, 75pts]: Amulet of the Voidwyrm, Bonesword, Broodcoven Primus, Warlord Trait: Alien Majesty

+ Troops +

Brood Brothers Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: Brood Brothers Leader
. 9x Brood Brother

Brood Brothers Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: Brood Brothers Leader
. 9x Brood Brother

Brood Brothers Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts]: Brood Brothers Leader
. 9x Brood Brother

++ Total: [81 PL, 12CP, 1,500pts] ++

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[No One]

For GSC? I won't say it's necessarily optimal depending on list, but GSC needs CP and generally end up with plenty of HQs and troops. 120 pts for 5 CP is decent. 120 pts for 5 CP and 3 expendable objective grabbers (either for T1, or in DS depending on how your list functions)? I'd call that worth, even at 1500.

Now, specifically for your list? You're running a single CP drain squad (aberrants) with inscrutable. Even with all of your pregame, there's not really a whole heap for you to do with the CP, in contrast to most GSC lists (you could always just chuck 3 CP at Generations I guess?). So to elaborate, I'd say it more comes down to 'does the format reward 3 DS objective grabbers'. If yes, take them, if no, don't and just be more sparing with pre-game (do you really need an amulet primus? I think not).

[zimko]

No webbers? They do a lot of work for neophytes at 1 pt each. I don't think you need 2 iconwards. I'd drop one of those, move an HQ up from the 3rd battalion, then spend the extra points for webbers and the 1 mining laser you're missing. You can also use some of those points to give a familiar to the Magus so he can take the best GSC relic in the game for +1 to cast and an extra power.

[dandc]

Thanks for the replies, I will take a look and tinker. On the specific points raised:

I do feel I need CP for Generations, so I can Vect Auspex Scanner on the Aberrant drop.

The Amulet is a contingency for if I haven't got Mass Hypnosis off on whatever the aberrants are charging. But I agree, the Primus is v unlikely to actually make a charge when he arrives, so could be dropped.

The two Iconwards have different jobs. The barebones one sits being the neos and keeps them annoyingly durable. The relic one comes in to buff the Aberrants/Abominant. Do agree on need to free up points. Will have another look.

Perhaps two ridge runners would be poor replacement, given they'd be my only armour. Maybe a second patty.

I'll do some maths on how much CP I'd expect to spend.

[kazetanade]

Was about to say that Abbys are huge CP drains, until i saw its BC and not TH.

1cp TCFB
3cp PA
2cp 3" DS
3cp Generations
1cp Overthrow
2cp Fight When Die


So 12cp used at the most generous spending, with 3 rerolls for whatever reason. I'd take 2 away for 3" DS, so you have 5cp for cp rerolls. Maybe -1 for RTTS, so 4cp rerolls. Then you have cp regen too to help with that.

4 pregame spent (not inc Broodcoven)? So 3cp rerolls at the end of the day.

I think it's just perfect.

[No One]

dandc said:

The Amulet is a contingency for if I haven't got Mass Hypnosis off on whatever the aberrants are charging. But I agree, the Primus is v unlikely to actually make a charge when he arrives, so could be dropped.

Yeah, it's 9" charge and you can't use PA on it. And moves 6" so not really going to do much on subsequent turns. Personally a fan of amulet patty in specific match ups, but that's specific match ups only. And clawed abominant should be able to do a similar role (just without quite as good follow up threat without 8" advance and charge).

Also, crouchling's just better if you're worried about getting hyp off, since that helps with getting hyp off.

kazetanade said:

Then you have cp regen too to help with that.

No nexos.

4 pregame spent (not inc Broodcoven)? So 3cp rerolls at the end of the day.

Also inscrutable.

Like, I think it's OK. But that's max planned (with from below and lying in wait probably not being useful usually) and still with CP to spare. And while Generations is very strong in some match ups, it's often not worth the CP in others. Having it as an option is almost mandatory, but I don't think there's any need to skew the list to be able to use it every game with excess, just as long as you've got enough CP to use it when you need it and can just be a bit more frugal with your other CP.

[dandc]

Hmmm. So I could accept 9-11 in-game CP by swapping the BB Battalion for a supreme command. Could then take a Magus with the crouchling as a mass hypnosis delivery system, and upgrade the neos so they all have 2 MLS and 2 Webbers. Would mean I would be stocked for PA, overthrow, fight when die and generations with 1-3 rerolls (Inc inscrutable), or deployment shenanigans should I not need Generations. Does mean 29 fewer bodies.

Alternatively I could keep swimming in CP, take a mining laser off one of the neos and the Amulet off the Primus and stick the Crouchling on the Patty or the Magus. I am now wondering how easily I'll be in range for Mass Hypnosis when I need it though.

[kazetanade]

Jan 3, 2020 11:24:53 GMT dandc said:

Hmmm. So I could accept 9-11 in-game CP by swapping the BB Battalion for a supreme command. Could then take a Magus with the crouchling as a mass hypnosis delivery system, and upgrade the neos so they all have 2 MLS and 2 Webbers. Would mean I would be stocked for PA, overthrow, fight when die and generations with 1-3 rerolls (Inc inscrutable), or deployment shenanigans should I not need Generations. Does mean 29 fewer bodies.

Alternatively I could keep swimming in CP, take a mining laser off one of the neos and the Amulet off the Primus and stick the Crouchling on the Patty or the Magus. I am now wondering how easily I'll be in range for Mass Hypnosis when I need it though.

Mass Hypno? Easy, it's 18" range.

Mind Control? Good luck with that 12".

[No One]

Footslogging patty, possibly footslogging magus for on board Generations. Otherwise, yes.