Space Marines Hunters

[Master Chief]

Good evening lads,

I would really like to understand why the few marines players don't like the hunter AA vehicle.

Is one of the few OP units in that codex, just because is bringing 11 wounds at an amazing T8 for a cheap 80 points.

Really, those things are capable of winning games just because of their chassis.

And they also shoot very well for the 80 points they cost.

Any ideas?

[Hive Bahamut]

Hitting Fly stuff used to be a big deal when they needed 6's to hit. Now most of it doesn't even have the -1 and the Astartes codex is chalk full of useful units but because of the bloat nothing sees action.

Case and point:
Aggressors might be one of the most OP units at their price point but because it is Astartes they are just "meh."

Hellblasters are the plasma anyone else would kill for. Pass on the codex of a million choices (in just their codex alone nevermind soup.)

There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. 🙄

[Master Chief]

You don't really want them because of the weapon that they have (which is way better than a Las cannon!).

[yoritomo]

There are tons of things that are better than a lascannon out there.

[LordPathos]

It only shoots once per turn too. When you miss, you're gonna feel it.

[kurtangle2]

Not worth it. If you're mostly taking it for the chassis you could be taking units designated to harass enemy units and take objective instead of a Rhino with T8

[Master Chief]

You are not taking that vehicle because of the firepower, but because is an aggressive T8 vehicle very very cheap.

[gigasnail]

that's just it: it's a wound box that doesn't do a lot else. you could take rhinos for cheaper and provide T1 protection for troops and a shunt up the board.

[Master Chief]

I am running three of them in my ultramarines brigade and they are honestly amazing.

They are not heavy lifters but most of the games I won are just because of 3 hunters...

[kurtangle2]

Jun 20, 2019 9:27:44 GMT Master Chief said:

I am running three of them in my ultramarines brigade and they are honestly amazing.

They are not heavy lifters but most of the games I won are just because of 3 hunters...

If you won with 3 Hunters, you would have won such games with any other vehicle that moves as fast as a Hunter (and Hunter is not as fast as you might think since it's 10" at top row)

[Master Chief]

++ Brigade Detachment +12CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [108 PL, -2CP, 1,597pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Victrix Guard

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, -1CP, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Stratagem: Field Commander, The Shield Eternal, Thunder hammer, Warden of Ultramar

Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 115pts]: 2) Might of Heroes, 3) Psychic Scourge, 6) Null Zone

Sergeant Telion [4 PL, 65pts]

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: 4x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Sergeant

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Boltgun, Combat knife
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Boltgun, Combat knife
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [12 PL, 222pts]: 5x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Dreadnought [7 PL, 120pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon

Primaris Apothecary [4 PL, 68pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 74pts]
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 74pts]
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 74pts]
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Hunter [5 PL, 82pts]: Storm bolter

Hunter [5 PL, 82pts]: Storm bolter

Hunter [5 PL, 82pts]: Storm bolter

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Space Marines) [18 PL, 3CP, 400pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

+ Lord of War +

Roboute Guilliman [18 PL, 3CP, 400pts]: Warlord

++ Total: [126 PL, 1CP, 1,997pts] ++



This is the list I was playing and against Orks and Daemons (only 2 games I played using this SM list till now), that T8 was very very helpful.

I couldn't win without those 3 hunters. Are the cheapest thing in the codex with T8.

Normal ork boyz are wounding on a 6+ the hunters and for bloodletters and plague bearers is mostly the same.

[kurtangle2]

Jun 23, 2019 14:59:00 GMT Master Chief said:

++ Brigade Detachment +12CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [108 PL, -2CP, 1,597pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Victrix Guard

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, -1CP, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Stratagem: Field Commander, The Shield Eternal, Thunder hammer, Warden of Ultramar

Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 115pts]: 2) Might of Heroes, 3) Psychic Scourge, 6) Null Zone

Sergeant Telion [4 PL, 65pts]

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: 4x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Sergeant

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Boltgun, Combat knife
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Boltgun, Combat knife
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [12 PL, 222pts]: 5x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Dreadnought [7 PL, 120pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon

Primaris Apothecary [4 PL, 68pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 74pts]
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 74pts]
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 74pts]
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Hunter [5 PL, 82pts]: Storm bolter

Hunter [5 PL, 82pts]: Storm bolter

Hunter [5 PL, 82pts]: Storm bolter

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Imperium - Space Marines) [18 PL, 3CP, 400pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

+ Lord of War +

Roboute Guilliman [18 PL, 3CP, 400pts]: Warlord

++ Total: [126 PL, 1CP, 1,997pts] ++



This is the list I was playing and against Orks and Daemons (only 2 games I played using this SM list till now), that T8 was very very helpful.

I couldn't win without those 3 hunters. Are the cheapest thing in the codex with T8.

Normal ork boyz are wounding on a 6+ the hunters and for bloodletters and plague bearers is mostly the same.

Having ork boys wounding the Hunter on 6s rather than 5s isn't really important since they can't alone kill it all by themselves (assuming all 30 Orks are attacking it they are doing 8,89 damage instead of 4,44 against T7/T8) and it's just a nuisance or worse a speed bump.
You don't really need a Hunter to accomplish what you've been trying to do. Better go for a Thunderfire Cannon with Halve Charge/Run/Movement Stratagem

[Master Chief]

What you are not calculating is that orks can fight twice, and to free a 30 boyz unit from a not comfortable situation (not being able to shoot and charge what you want for one turn) you are more than happy to spend those 3 command points.

Then a boss nob with a big choppa wounding on a 5+ instead of on a 4+ is a great difference. I bet on your calculations you did not consider the big choppa and those 4 attacks Str7 AP-1 and 2 damages per hit.

If you charge 30 orks with a rhino to keep them there and the opponent is a proper player, probably you are not going to obtain anything because spending 3 command points the boyz are going to eat that rhino.

You charge them and they pile in and attack you once with like 5 or 6 guys best case scenario for the rhino.

Then they consolidate and get closer.

Then they activate again and pile in again and fight again.

Before fighting the second time the whole unit moved 9", so probably the second time they fight they'll be all in range for fighting.

And you just have to hope that the nob did not manage to strike twice, otherwise are 8 big slaps on the Rhino.

And here you will see that huge difference between T7 and T8.



Honestly when I played them I really liked them.

For creating non passable walls for not infantry, for creating cover for much light stuff like assault bikes and aggressors, or for charging enemy units.



The Stalker is better than the Hunter fore power wise? Most of the time yes, but you are taking them not for that, but for the T8.

And the hunters for 82 points per model are the cheapest thing in the codex marines that has T8.

And they are completely independent from captains as they have already their own re roll to hit, so they dont have to be babysitted by characters.

[kurtangle2]

Jun 24, 2019 0:05:25 GMT Master Chief said:

What you are not calculating is that orks can fight twice, and to free a 30 boyz unit from a not comfortable situation (not being able to shoot and charge what you want for one turn) you are more than happy to spend those 3 command points.

Then a boss nob with a big choppa wounding on a 5+ instead of on a 4+ is a great difference. I bet on your calculations you did not consider the big choppa and those 4 attacks Str7 AP-1 and 2 damages per hit.

If you charge 30 orks with a rhino to keep them there and the opponent is a proper player, probably you are not going to obtain anything because spending 3 command points the boyz are going to eat that rhino.

You charge them and they pile in and attack you once with like 5 or 6 guys best case scenario for the rhino.

Then they consolidate and get closer.

Then they activate again and pile in again and fight again.

Before fighting the second time the whole unit moved 9", so probably the second time they fight they'll be all in range for fighting.

And you just have to hope that the nob did not manage to strike twice, otherwise are 8 big slaps on the Rhino.

And here you will see that huge difference between T7 and T8.



Honestly when I played them I really liked them.

For creating non passable walls for not infantry, for creating cover for much light stuff like assault bikes and aggressors, or for charging enemy units.



The Stalker is better than the Hunter fore power wise? Most of the time yes, but you are taking them not for that, but for the T8.

And the hunters for 82 points per model are the cheapest thing in the codex marines that has T8.

And they are completely independent from captains as they have already their own re roll to hit, so they dont have to be babysitted by characters.

No, ork boys are not going to spend 3 CP to free themselves from a Hunter which they have surrounded and want to kill on YOUR turn in order to charge whatever is left without being shred to pieces at all. Hunters are just pure speed bump for orks and I assume you didn't even read what I told you about Thunderfire cannons which are 100% better at preventing getting charged.

Also the math doesn't change much when you add the Ork Nobz, it still doesn't kill a Hunter in one turn.

Sorry but I can't stand you willingly not putting your "Hunter blubblering" aside just for the sake of contradicting others with false evidence

[Master Chief]

Man the orks are not going to charge the hunter, but most likely the hunter is going to charge the orks.

Even if the hunter is locked and surrounded in close combat during my turn, I can always send another hunter in CC just to keep the boyz good and preventing them from going somewhere else unless they are using da jump.



And when I played the hunters, those 3 T8 walls, creating some cover that was allowing me to hide more important units, plus the thing that moving and using the scenarios on the table, were stopping non infantry units for one turn.

For example against orks I found them essential for stopping battlewagons for one turn, using also some ruins and other things that battlewagons cannot go through.

And they are magnificent to protect Guilliman and the victrix captain, or maybe preventing something to reach the aggressors (that I have in the list just for control missions, as they usually start on an armour 2+, with tigurius-1 to hit and hidden behind 3 hunters, facing the zone most dense of objectives).

In my idea of list (lots of wounds at a T5 and higher), a hunter is amazing.



Plus a few days ago I played against eldars as a ETC training, and the hunters and the Victrix captain won me the game.