Overwatch with tfex post faq

[topaxygourouni]

The Tyranid FAQ was also updated yesterday. It's as new as the general FAQ. There is no old vs new. There is a Tyranid FAQ revised yesterday, and it allows stratagems on Hive Commander. It it was something they did not want, they would have specified that in the revised version of the Tyranid FAQ.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Apr 30, 2019 4:13:01 GMT kazetanade said:

I come back to the "New FAQ directly contradicts old FAQ" part we were just at in the other thread. I don't buy the "specific > general" argument. I think this is a clash of rules that's nearly on par with "always hits on 3s vs always hits on 6s". That's just my opinion.

Rest of it is rehashed a few times in a few threads. Everyone is free to approach the game as they see fit, always check with your opponent. For tourneys, check with TO. The rest, have fun.

For special > general, that's exactly how units get special abilities. No unit can advance and then charge, but genestealers have a specific rule that overrides this.

Side note: I've got another game where they specifically call this out and then gave an order of precedence for rules. It was insanely helpful and it'd be nice if gw did the same.

[mattblowers]

Holy (please do not swear)! Already? The FAQ isn't 24 hours out of the oven and people are already trying to break it. Just stop it already. No, the t-fex doesn't get to shoot twice, it's not your shooting phase. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. You can string out THIS RULE => THIS RULE => + REASONS (and if you don't agree with me it's because you are all stupid and fail to comprehend simple logic) = I CAN DO SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. As the FAQ designers commentary states, "We are a bit surprised by these questions."

3...2...1... Countdown until this thread breaks down into English grammar arguments with increasingly lengthy posts culminating in a nazi/fascist/poopyhead insult.

This is just like the Tempestor Scion being able to issue to orders to brood brothers from GSC but not guardsmen from Astra Militarum codex. How'd that work out for you?

Would you all rather they just take away the shoot 2x period?

[faux]

"For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase."

If thats not black and white enough, then my english is really bad.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Apr 30, 2019 12:37:25 GMT faux said:

"For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase."

If thats not black and white enough, then my english is really bad.

Are you no longer able to overwatch against a character of less than 10 wound characteristic that declared a charge against you when there is another closer enemy?

[faux]

Apr 30, 2019 12:41:24 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Apr 30, 2019 12:37:25 GMT faux said:

"For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase."

If thats not black and white enough, then my english is really bad.

Are you no longer able to overwatch against a character of less than 10 wound characteristic that declared a charge against you when there is another closer enemy?

OH!! email GW lol, i would say you follow the character rules lol.

[faux]

Q: Can a unit fire Overwatch at a Character if, when it
declares its charge at them, there are other visible enemy models
that are closer?
A: Yes.

[calbanite]

I'm a dumb Carnifex. I leave the thinking to the brain-y bugs.

Let me know if the Acid Fex is able to double-tap in Overwatch and how scary Russes and the like are going to become.

[killercroc]

Apr 30, 2019 12:08:57 GMT mattblowers said:

This is just like the Tempestor Scion being able to issue to orders to brood brothers from GSC but not guardsmen from Astra Militarum codex. How'd that work out for you?

Except here you're dicounting why a prime can/cannot issue orders between guard and cult. A Tempestor cannot issue orders to Cadians because Keywords. Cadians issue orders to Cadians, Scions issue orders to Scions, Catachan issue orders to Catachan. However when it comes to GSC they all share the same "regiment" I.E. Brood Brothers so the reason Scions cannot issue orders in the guard due to being different regiments is not a factor as with GSC they ARE the same regiment. It's not people gaming the system, it's GW strait up going "yeah we decided to use Keywords for this ability but we're going to ignore keywords in this instance because even though the rule uses Keywords we can never be consistent"

Again it's not people trying to English their way through something with the Tfex. Aggressors have the ability to shoot twice if they don't move and it was FAQ'd that they get to shoot twice in overwatch too. So if the Tyranno has the ability to shoot twice if it doesn't move then it should shoot twice in overwatch as well.

[tomcaet]

Apr 30, 2019 12:08:57 GMT mattblowers said:

Holy (please do not swear)! Already? The FAQ isn't 24 hours out of the oven and people are already trying to break it. Just stop it already. No, the t-fex doesn't get to shoot twice, it's not your shooting phase. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. You can string out THIS RULE => THIS RULE => + REASONS (and if you don't agree with me it's because you are all stupid and fail to comprehend simple logic) = I CAN DO SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. As the FAQ designers commentary states, "We are a bit surprised by these questions."

3...2...1... Countdown until this thread breaks down into English grammar arguments with increasingly lengthy posts culminating in a nazi/fascist/poopyhead insult.

This is just like the Tempestor Scion being able to issue to orders to brood brothers from GSC but not guardsmen from Astra Militarum codex. How'd that work out for you?

Would you all rather they just take away the shoot 2x period?

On "not your Shooting phase" - it sure shouldn't be. But well... (emphasis mine)

Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move,
shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power)
outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly
mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the
turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it
were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during
that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take
effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks?

A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g.
abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would
apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking
place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem
specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then
it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a
Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting
phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were
the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ,
Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made
as if it were your Shooting phase.

I am a bit surprised by this answer.

[nurglitch]

It's not a good sign when an FAQ just provokes more argument. I'm not sure I follow the arguments for pro/con, but somehow or other I feel like shooting twice in overwatch isn't the way to go.

[mattblowers]

Apr 30, 2019 14:22:59 GMT killercroc said:

Again it's not people trying to English their way through something with the Tfex. Aggressors have the ability to shoot twice if they don't move and it was FAQ'd that they get to shoot twice in overwatch too. So if the Tyranno has the ability to shoot twice if it doesn't move then it should shoot twice in overwatch as well.

Key difference being that the Agressors, as you noted, specifically were given the ability to do so. What applies to one codex does not apply to another.

[purestrain]

They state "YOUR shooting phase", both the FAQ and gunbeast rule.

There is no ambiguity here. Clear as the blue sky.

[originaltyranid]

For the purposes of this FAQ,
Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made
as if it were your Shooting phase.

Read more: thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/57014/overwatch-tfex-post-faq?page=3#ixzz5mb3uRgmW

[mattblowers]

Apr 30, 2019 15:47:07 GMT purestrain said:

They state "YOUR shooting phase", both the FAQ and gunbeast rule.

There is no ambiguity here. Clear as the blue sky.

Well yes, that would be crystal clear, but you are only looking at half the rule.

"If this model does not move in your movement phase, it can shoot all its weapons twice in your Shooting phase."

The second part I will give you. The first part, well, it may count as your shooting phase, but you clearly didn't have a movement phase, so I can't see how you get to do the second part.

Store owner: "If you come to our restaurant during your lunch break and you will receive a free appetizer!"

Purestrain: "I didn't get a lunch break, so please ship that free appetizer over to me."

Store owner: "You have to come here during your lunch break to get the free appetizer."

Purestrain: "I already told you, I didn't get a lunch break, so that part doesn't apply to me; Ignore that part. The only part that applies to me is 'receive a free appetizer'. I mean, if you want to be technical I had a lunch break yesterday when I also didn't get a free appetizer, so I think I'm good to go."

(To be clear I used your name for humor, not to be condescending.)