How do we deal with the New Knights?

[mattblowers]

Jun 22, 2018 18:05:33 GMT acehilator said:

mule: Yeah, 5+ to ignore MW, 1 CP, duration one phase. Underwhelming to protect against 2-3 Smites, but will save you some damage when spores come flying in I guess.

Isn't it only for MW in the psychic phase? I don't have the IK rules down yet.

[clandestinecadence]

It's the Psychic phase only for it, Questor Mechanicus stratagem.

[purestrain]

Jun 22, 2018 16:42:19 GMT zimko said:

Jun 22, 2018 15:59:46 GMT purestrain said:

They have <FLY>

That's not the issue. Distance is the issue. You have to deploy 12" from the infantry screen. The Knights can deploy 12" behind that.

So basically it's a 162 point one-trick-pony that will only work if you're going first and if you get 2 out of 6 possible deployments or if your opponent doesn't have a screen or know how to use it AND doesn't know what meiotic spores do.

That's a lot of ifs.

Right, everyone just sits at the very back and never ever goes for objectives, nor are any of the knights melee...
Or you just sour things because you think they might not work therefore it's never going to.

[acehilator]

mattblowers clandestinecadence

The stratagem is useable in any phase. Questor Mechanicus only, but at least for competitive play you should be running House Raven anyways, so it is available. The House Hawkshroud specific relic (Angel's Grace) is limited to the psychic phase, 4+ instead of 5+ to ignore though.

[clandestinecadence]

Codex right in front of me and I didn't think to check it, thanks for the clarification!

I really like Hawkshroud.

[mule]

Jun 22, 2018 21:47:14 GMT acehilator said:

mattblowers clandestinecadence

The stratagem is useable in any phase. Questor Mechanicus only, but at least for competitive play you should be running House Raven anyways, so it is available. The House Hawkshroud specific relic (Angel's Grace) is limited to the psychic phase, 4+ instead of 5+ to ignore though.

There are a few different houses i think are good. Hawkshroud, Raven and Taranis are the 3 competitive ones I see. Ill do a breakdown on why if anyone cares to know or if anyone objects.

[kazetanade]

mattblowers

Double tapping HG can take a Knight down about half, IIRC. A flyrant can take another 2 from smite, then another 1? From Devs. How are you 1 rounding Knights with just Flyrants and HG?

Edit: harpies are good IMO. They're not staple but they should be, if only they were in Fast Attack.

[mule]

Jun 23, 2018 1:30:29 GMT kazetanade said:

mattblowers

Double tapping HG can take a Knight down about half, IIRC. A flyrant can take another 2 from smite, then another 1? From Devs. How are you 1 rounding Knights with just Flyrants and HG?

Edit: harpies are good IMO. They're not staple but they should be, if only they were in Fast Attack.

SMA hiveguard + 2 flyrant smites + scream + MRC and possibly fight twice?

[kazetanade]

mule 12W from HG, 6W from Smites/Scream, 1W from Devs, and 5W from 8A MRC looks feasible. Not likely, but feasible. Thanks for your clarification.

[mule]

Jun 23, 2018 1:37:35 GMT kazetanade said:

mule 12W from HG, 6W from Smites/Scream, 1W from Devs, and 5W from 8A MRC looks feasible. Not likely, but feasible. Thanks for your clarification.

Np. Most people run 3 flyrants + hiveguard as cookie cutter here, so if thats the case all the dev shots go into the screen instead.

[kazetanade]

In honesty I forgot because I'd been playing 0 Flyrant lists for awhile now. The slip of the mind is my own fault ¬_¬

[mule]

Jun 23, 2018 2:40:05 GMT kazetanade said:

In honesty I forgot because I'd been playing 0 Flyrant lists for awhile now. The slip of the mind is my own fault ¬_¬

Yeah they're pretty good lmao.

I'd run 3 but it limits what the rest of my list is so. Meh.

[acehilator]

mule: House Taranis? Rofl... just no. Hawkshroud is good for sure, but cannot compete with Raven + Landstrider WL trait. The amount of board control you can excert with Knights that fast is insane. Helps you to get LoS on units behind cover, and super reliable melee (which is crucial, Knight shooting alone isn't going to cut it).

[mule]

Jun 23, 2018 16:34:05 GMT acehilator said:

mule: House Taranis? Rofl... just no. Hawkshroud is good for sure, but cannot compete with Raven + Landstrider WL trait. The amount of board control you can excert with Knights that fast is insane. Helps you to get LoS on units behind cover, and super reliable melee (which is crucial, Knight shooting alone isn't going to cut it).

Taranis lets you stand your knight back up.

For the most part most lists only have 1 chance to kill a knight, if you stand it back up to shoot everything and then charge and kill the unit that just killed it, its very good.

Taranis also lets you use the fight twice stratagem.

It is of the top 3. Im not denying that raven isnt the best but i believe you can make a list with taranis and 2 guard battalions for CP dumping.

[dan3dim]

Take two detachment of GSC HQ, different cult name..

Two mind control per turn, take control of two knight and shooting at each other..