Any point in buying orks?

[folders]

May 17, 2018 21:39:02 GMT gigasnail said:

yeah man i'm sorry but i'm not an ork player and i don't know anyone that plays them seriously here. can't give much guidance.

No worries, cheers anyway mate

[acehilator]

May 17, 2018 21:38:13 GMT folders said:

Thanks Ace! As squigs go i refer to the bomb squigs that comes with tank bustas. But i now realise that you probably want to max them out so 6 in a 15 man unit I'll look into the FW stuff right away! I thought deff dreads and killa kans where the real deal. Their damage output is close combat is pretty nasty isnt it? How come they are so bad?

Ah the bomb squigs... I guess they are ok, nice thing is that they don't count as models for transport purposes, so 12 Bustas + 4 Squigs in a Trukk could be decent enough. Deff Dreads are just way too expensive. 149/151 for the two useable setups (4x claw/3x claw + scorcha)... they need to drop to like 110 max. in the codex.

Also, don't forget Gretchins for holding backline objectives, and Grot Guns while we are at it (Bubblechucka for extra lolz).

[killercroc]

Deff dreads aren't worth it right now, they're really expensive and don't out-melee a normal dread very well and their shooting is poor. I'd stay away from them at least until the codex drops and if they get better. As for mek gunz the kustom mega kannon is by far the best. The bubblechecka looks fun but it's nowhere near as reliable to the KMK.

Grot tanks aren't too bad for a mobile heavy weapon if you want them. They're only like T5 5 wounds 4+/6++ for 30 points plus gun can give you a durable enough platform.

[folders]

I like the mek gunz, they look really fun! And the bubblechecka looks awesome haha, might not be reliable but i gotta try it atleast once before going for the kustom mega kannon
Alright so right now in my basket there are:
1 x Ghazghkull
1 x Battlewagon + deff rolla upgrade pack
6 x Boyz (need 2 maxed out units right?)
1 x Ork big mek with kustom force field + Grot oiler
1 x Wierdnob shaman
2 x Tankbustas (need atleast 10 right? Or maybe even 15?)
1 x Dakkajet (do i need 2?)
1 x Meg gunz
2 x gretchins

Skipping the deff dreads and killa kans for now as you advised. Sadly the stompa is a no aswell

[killercroc]

For boyz 2 squads of 30 is pretty good. Typically I go for squads of 30 if they're melee or squads of 20 if they're shooting. Same amount of bodies but in melee you're going to take a few more rounds of shooting before you get to strike back so you need extra models to still be effective when you get there, as for shooting you want more squads to cover a larger threat range and react to new units. Though you can never go wrong with more boyz so you might want to add some more on top of that, they're pretty strong now too. If anything 2 squads of 30 melee and 1 squad of 20 shootas for some cover fire.

Battlewagons is good but you might want either some boyz or nobz to go in there and make use of the large transport capacity. Unless you're looking at foot sloggin' you may want to drop it for something else, one big tank is basically target practice for all your opponents anti-tank. Personally I always ran about 3 battlewagons.

Tankbustas are solid, so 2 squads of 10 in trukks should be good. I made looted rhinos for mine so they'd ride around in the vehicles they've destroyed

Dakkajets are... alright. They don't really do much. They aren't great anti-air because they just have S6 AP -1 guns so if you're fighting T7 3+ save flyers they're going to have a hard time bringing them down. The burna bomba is pretty good this edition I hear, haven't tried it out though. I converted mine into the FW fighta bomba which is half dakkajet half bomba so I can field it as any of the 3 jets short of the mek one.

And finally, all the grotz. Grotz are fun, I normally bring around 40-60 to hold objectives, be meat shields, try and get across the board while my opponent shoots more dangerous targets. They have their uses.

[acehilator]

If even a tiny shred of the rumours regarding new Orks is true, Ghazghkull is the one guy who is going to get a new model. Don't know about you, but I think the "current" (lol) model is pretty lackluster and has not aged well. Trukks are another thing. One of the oldest models, and doesn't look good anymore (imho, of course). You probably want to get at least two of these. Basic listbuilding concepts still apply, if you want to run a list besides pure infantry horde, you need more potential targets for AT weapons, a single Battlewagon and a single Jet are not going to do it.

Dakkajet, why not three and make it a party (Air Wing detachment).

But generally speaking (especially if you want to play competitive), I would still hold out for Codex release, which very well might shake up the internal balance of the Ork lineup dramatically. And they need a miracle Codex like we got to get anywhere anyhow. I am looking at a mechanized list for friendly games (like I said, I am in no mood to paint another 100 small models after finishing my current 121 for my Nids, lol). And I am still waiting because even for friendly games that list is just mediocre. I really hope Blood Axes get -1 to hit outside 12".

[tomcaet]

May 18, 2018 13:31:12 GMT acehilator said:

May 17, 2018 21:38:13 GMT folders said:

Thanks Ace! As squigs go i refer to the bomb squigs that comes with tank bustas. But i now realise that you probably want to max them out so 6 in a 15 man unit I'll look into the FW stuff right away! I thought deff dreads and killa kans where the real deal. Their damage output is close combat is pretty nasty isnt it? How come they are so bad?

Ah the bomb squigs... I guess they are ok, nice thing is that they don't count as models for transport purposes[...]

They don't? By some special rule or FAQ? Normally all models with profiles are part of the unit.

[acehilator]

tomcaet: Yeah, you`re right. I'm blind lol.

[cypheon]

Fun little tidbit for the orks: just as we can take a Spore Lord, orks can make a bomb squig into a Squig Lord to prevent scoring Slay The Warlord.

Also for new models look to AoS. Strap some spare big guns onto the shoulder armor of warboars for a bike squad. You can even use a piece of twine to hold them in place and still be properly orky for it.

Idoneth Deepkin is a godsend for any one who wanted to do an aquatic-themed ork army. Use the sea turtles as floating "squig trukks", strap a few guns to the sharks for deff koptas (or war trakks if you prefer). There is even a sunken ship that can be used as a base for an aqua-ork battlewagon or fortification.


Annnnd i just opened a new tab to browse gw's site to see what else the deepkin have. Funny enough, GWs server is offline...