1500 Ultramarines

[tyrantgrift]

Hi all,

Been having a blast with my Tyranids over the last few weeks at my games club! I will primarily be playing Nid's for the foreseeable, though it might be nice to play something different once in a while, and Ultramarines couldn't be any different.


= Ultramarines =

= 1500 Points =

= 5 Command Points =


Vanguard Detachment

HQ

Captain in Terminator Armour; Combiplasma; Thunder Hammer; The Sanctic Halo; 141

Warlord Trait; Storm of Fire

ELITE

5 Terminators; Powerfists; Stormbolters; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Power Sword; 240

Ironclad Dreadnought; Chainfist; 2x Heavy Flamer; Assault Launchers; Smoke Launchers; 170

Ironclad Dreadnought; Chainfist; 2x Heavy Flamer; Assault Launchers; Smoke Launchers; 170

Outrider Detachment

HQ

Librarian; Bike; Force Stave; 113

Psychic Powers; Smite; Might of Heroes; Veil of Time

FAST ATTACK

5 Bikes; 2x Grav Gun; Combi Grav; Chainswords; 172

2 Attack Bikes; Multi Melta; 124

5 Assault; 3x Plasma Pistol; Power Sword; Meltabombs; 95

Razorback; Twin Assault Cannon; Storm Bolter; HK Missile; 108

HEAVY SUPPORT

Predator; Predator Autocannon; 2x Heavy Bolter; Storm Bolter; HK Missile; 167


The idea is to have the Captain teleport with the Termies, with his re-roll buff and his warlord trait they'll put out a lot of hurt. If they get in CC I can retreat and still shoot, and will try and get might of heroes/veil of time on him/them for extra fun.

The Ironclads will run up the board to support them, these guys are also good targets for the libbys powers. Once again, if they get in CC I can retreat, shoot both h. flamers then if they get assaulted, shoot both h. flamers again. 

The libby will go with the bikes and I'll try and tackle elite infantry/light vehicles with these guys while the attack bikes hunt down tougher targets.

The razor and pred are for fire support, maybe a TLLC would be better for the razor? The 5 assault will sit in the razor to counter assault anything deepstriking in my backfield or going after my two tanks. Had a few spare points so chucked a sword and meltabombs on the sergeant.


So, that's kind of a basic plan.

What do you guys think?

[nidzy]

I like the idea for sure. I love ironclads, but they are pretty slow. If I were running the same list I would swap in contemptors because they do a better job of keeping up with the bikes.

The predator seems lonely in this list. If you dropped it and the razorback you would be really close to a Landraider Crusader which would give you close to the same output plus the added option of potentially starting the terminators on the board/reducing your number of deployed units. It could also roll up with your push and put some more target pressure out there by working to keep people' big guns from focusing on the bikes early. Can also block LOS for the bikes.

[tyrantgrift]

Thank you for the feedback, Nidzy

You're right about Ironclad's being slow but that's not an incentive for me to not take them Will deploy them as close as possible to the enemy and simply advance towards them to try and bring the gap. The trickiest part will be timing their smoke launchers to get the most benefit of the -1 to hit. Could it be possible to hide the bikes behind them?

Don't own any variant of Land Raider, unfortunately, and I feel the LRC is better suited to deliver CC Terminators rather than shooty ones. The plan is to teleport the termies with the captain while the bikes or dreadnoughts etc push up the board to support them, if they're put under too much pressure or are getting ganked they teleport with the homer to somewhere safer - it's a little risky but could be very useful if it works.

You're definitely right about the Predator and the idea of a Contemptor is a good one, not really a fan of the weapon options but they do seem decently tough/fast. Taking out the Pred and some other upgrades left me with exactly enough points to include one, not sure if the MM or the KPAC would be better in this list as I think there's a good balance of firepower and melee for taking on all types of units.


= Ultramarines =
= 1500 Points =
= 5 Command Points =

Vanguard Detachment

HQ

Captain in Terminator Armour; Combiplasma; Thunder Hammer; The Sanctic Halo; 141
Warlord Trait; Storm of Fire

ELITE

5 Terminators; Powerfists; Stormbolters; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Power Sword; 240

Ironclad Dreadnought; Chainfist; 2x Heavy Flamer; Assault Launchers; Smoke Launchers; 170

Ironclad Dreadnought; Chainfist; 2x Heavy Flamer; Assault Launchers; Smoke Launchers; 170

Contemptor Dreadnought; Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer; 182

Outrider Detachment

HQ

Librarian; Bike; Force Stave; 113
Psychic Powers; Might of Heroes; Veil of Time

FAST ATTACK

5 Bikes; 2x Grav Gun; Combi Grav; Chainswords; 172

2 Attack Bikes; Multi Melta; 124

5 Assault; 3x Plasma Pistol; 86

Razorback; Twin Assault Cannon; Storm Bolter; 102


What do you think now?

Thanks again for your C&C

[nidzy]

I like it.

I think the heavy flamers could play big for you on the dreads with the ultramarines chapter tactics. I also think this list would also perform well as raven guard for the built in -1 to hit giving the ironclads -2 when they pop smoke. I play with a pretty chill group of guys so I switch up the tactics a lot to keep things from being stale, but I default to Ultramarines for sure.

[tyrantgrift]

Yeah, the HF should work well on the dreads with UM CT's, should be a lot of extra shots over the course of a game. Only downside of it is my units might get shot at a little more. I like the RG CT for the same reason though think I it's worth it for just 2 models, would definitely be worth considering if this was more of a gunline style of army, with tank/devastators etc.

Thinking about doing an all Dreadnought army in the future, taking detachments from different codexes to include each chapter's unique dreadnoughts (GK/BA/SW)

[tyrantgrift]

It transpires that, after reading both the Index and Codex, the Contemptor has no option to upgrade the combi bolter to a heavy flamer.

This kinda gave me the idea to squeeze in another MMAB if I takeaway a few upgrades elsewhere, the Assault Launchers and combi grav most likely. Maybe give the Contemptor the KPAC instead.

Or add a marine to the assault squad and give them some upgrades - 2 plasma pistols, a power weapon then either a storm shield or meltabombs. So add a little versatility or survivability.

Just minor tweaks, really. Which option would be better?

Our Carnifexes have living battering ram which is the same as the assault launchers but I always forget about it. How good/useful is it, really? Seems any chance to inflict mortal wounds is good, even a 50/50 chance if you actually remember to use it.

Probably just overthinking it 8)

[nidzy]

Can you take 2 HK's on the Ironclad for the cost of the assault launchers? It might give you some more utility as you move in from range.

[tyrantgrift]

Never really thought of HK's, they always seem to be the last thing I include if I have spare points. How good/useful do you find them to be?

Still in a quandary about giving the Contemptor a MM or KPAC, which would you take?

I deduce the Assault Launchers to be 10 points but I can't find where it actually says this in the Codex or Index.

[nidzy]

I think HK's are a much better value in this ed. I add them to my razorbacks when I have extra points.

I think I like the multi melta better on the Contemptor in this list. I run him both ways but and extra source of multi melta will be solid for you and if he moves, he is still hitting as well as the attack bikes do stationary.

[tyrantgrift]

Alright! Will run with the MM for now. HK's seem like something include only if you have spare points, I could potentially take 5 on this list, could be good for something!

Going to try and get a game tomorrow at the club, no guarantees I'll get one. If I get one I'll let you know how it goes.

[nidzy]

What ended up happening with this?

[tyrantgrift]

Went to the club but there was no one to play. Ended up playing D&D instead, was kinda fun intimidating elderly ladies!

Going to post on our Facebook page, will try and arrange a game for next week.

[tyrantgrift]

Arranged a game for Wednesday but he wants to play 1750, which I can just about manage. Quite limited in what I can take though.

Can add another Dread/Contemptor, a Tac squad with all plasma, vanguard vets or assault squad, scouts of any variety, predators or rhino's or vindicators... So not too limited, I guess.

Vindicators look tempting... Will be playing Death Guard so there's a good chance he'll have Mortarion.

[tyrantgrift]

Now he wants to play 2K!

Put this list together - basic idea remains the same, have 2 Contemptors moving up to assist the Capt & Termies. Will have the IC's and Vindi's lined up together and might hide the bikes behind them to start.



= Ultramarines =

= 1998 Points =

= 5 Command Points =

Vanguard Detachment

HQ

Captain in Terminator Armour; Combiplasma; Thunder Hammer; The Sanctic Halo; 141
Warlord Trait; Storm of Fire

ELITE

6 Terminators; Powerfists; Stormbolters; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Power Sword; 280

Ironclad Dreadnought; Chainfist; 2x Heavy Flamer; Smoke Launchers; Assault Launchers; 170

Ironclad Dreadnought; Chainfist; 2x Heavy Flamer; Smoke Launchers; Assault Launchers; 170

Contemptor Dreadnought; Multi Melta; Storm Bolter; 167

Contemptor Dreadnought; Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon; Storm Bolter; 165

Outrider Detachment

HQ

Librarian; Bike; Force Stave; 113
Psychic Powers; Might of Heroes; Veil of Time

FAST ATTACK

5 Bikes; 2x Grav Gun; Combi Grav; Chainswords; 172

2 Attack Bikes; Multi Melta; 124

6 Assault; 3x Plasma Pistol; Power Sword; Meltabombs; 108

Razorback; Twin Assault Cannons; Storm Bolter; 102

HEAVY SUPPORT

Vindicator; Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter; HK Missile; 143

Vindicator; Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter; HK Missile; 143


Did think of taking a Tactical squad (PG, PC, CP) and a Rhino, or taking 10 assault with JP and a Tac combat squad with the Razorback, as mentioned in a previous post. Ultimately, gonna give Vindicators a bash, the gun is really powerful VS tanks/MC's and I'm fighting Deathguard so there's a good chance he'll have Mortarion. 


What do you think?

[nidzy]

Use the 2 points to put the contemptor back to a MM. That way you have 5 multi melta. With the way this list is set up, you wont miss the extra anti infantry from the Kheres.

Hope it goes well! Nurgle can be pretty ugly nowadays. My best friend who got me into 40k has run deathguard since 5th ed so he is pretty pumped with out they turned out.

Two tips: if you are going to put shots into a unit of poxwalkers, kill the whole unit. Same goes for any type of drone, or they will ignore you all game and keep doing their thing. Hope it goes well!