Vs. Space Marines 8.0

[zaibach]

Ok, first try:

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TYRANIDS 2000 PTS JORMUNGANDR
12 CP
1 PTS REMAINING

BRIGADE DETACHMENT JORMUNGANDR
QG
Hive Tyrant (193)
+MRC +2xDevourerswsm +Wings +AG +TS
+Biomanufact: Thyrax MRC
+Warlord Trait: Insidious Meneace
+Psichic Powers: Smite, The Horror, Psychic Scream

Hive Tyrant (193)
+MRC +2xDevourerswsm +Wings +AG +TS
+Psichic Powers: Smite, Catalisis, Paroxism

Neurothrope (70)
+Psichic Powers: Smite, Offense

TROOPS
15x Genestealer (204)
+12xrending claws +3xacid maws +15xextended carapace

15x Genestealer (204)
+12xrending claws +3xacid maws +15xextended carapace

15xHormagaunt (75)

15xHormagaunt (75)

3xRipper Swarm (33)

3xRipper Swarm (33)

ELITES
6x Hive Guards (234)
+6xshock cannons

Lictor (45)

3x Pyrovores (114)

FAST ATTACK
5x Raveners (150)
+5xrending claws +5xDS

1xMeiotic Spore (20)

1xMeiotic Spore (20)

HEAVY SUPPORT
Carnifex (116)
+HVC +2xDevourerswsm +ES

Carnifex (116)
+HVC +2xDevourerswsm +ES

Mawloc (104)
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Hive Tyrants, Mawloc, Lictor and Raveners coming in DS with their own rules.
Hive Guards, Pyrovores (I just want to try those for fun), and 2x squads of genestealer come with the Raveners tunnel (-4 CP).
2x squads of horma + 2x carnifex + neurothrope +spores + swarms advance on foot.
The Hive guards with the 2xshooting stratagem should wreck a lot of vehicles, and I want also to try those HVC on carnifexes.
Fexes + Pyrovores + Hive Tyrants + Raveners have good anti-infantry shooting.
And my Genestealers are 3+ saves if they don't charge the turn they're coming (question-> if I try to charge but I fail, they are still considered has having charged so I lost the armor bonus? If this is true, it is better to just avoid charging the turn they are coming?).

Any suggestions?

[LordPathos]

Is this thread for all SM, including Grey Knights? Cuz I know we all know, but gotta say it anyway, Smite hurts. A lot.

[Bellator]

Nov 22, 2017 2:56:09 GMT LordPathos said:

Is this thread for all SM, including Grey Knights? Cuz I know we all know, but gotta say it anyway, Smite hurts. A lot.

Use more biovores.

[endgame422]

Nov 22, 2017 2:56:09 GMT LordPathos said:

Is this thread for all SM, including Grey Knights? Cuz I know we all know, but gotta say it anyway, Smite hurts. A lot.

Soul hunger+ deepest shadows.
I play GK fairly regularly and use a nice screen of rippers and gants in front of 2 or 3 neurothropes (1 of which is my WL) to absorb/deny the tons of smite/vortex of doom that inevitably drops on me T1.
Last game I lost around 40/50 points in his psychic phase and he lost more like 300.
He went first and game was basically over before my half of the turn.

[ymgarl7]

I like the hive guard, if terrain is decent you can usually hide them. As far as Venomthropes, I am actually a fan - squad of 6 works well, even without the 9" bubble (down to 6 when you lose one of them) they can still be deployed far enough back (or a smaller unit might even be out of LOS if the terrain is just right) to buff a lot of stuff while being only in the threat range of a few things.

This might not work against the most uber-competitive stuff, I haven't played against too much many who are that type, but it seems to be viable, especially now with the malanthrope at 140, and with some places that don't allow FW.

And as a side not, honestly, I understand why a hobby shop wouldn't want FW, as there is no way their customers can purchase it through them - you don't want people seeing a bunch of cool stuff, and choosing to spend hobby dollars online instead of instore

[leopard]

Had a run against Deathwatch here, tabled them in two turns, seems they have many tricks - but they all depend on Deathwatch being the aggressor, moving into the short range and acting - when you come to them from outside 8" they seem to struggle.

Also the local DW player utterly hates mortal wounds, pick your targets and biovore them to death with a few smites thrown in, for such a low model count army any casualties count so just fling anything at them.

They had serious issues facing Hydra and hordes of small stuff, yes they could delete entire units with the auto hit flamer type firing options - but only in their own turn, coming in from outside 8" and they just didn't do the damage, then got buried under hordes of dice in my turn

[rabidweasel33]

Have any of you had to deal with Bjorn? A friend has him and runs him in most games he can. I've yet to play against the model, but it's stats are crazy S12 AP-4 rerolling wounds. Oh and he's a character under 10W

Any pointers or tips?

[acehilator]

He doesn't even have a Stormshield, what is the problem? If your friend likes running him into melee, bubblewrap your stuff, watch the spacing between your units so he cannot pull a second unit into combat, fall back and blast him to bits. For giggles, bury him in a unit of 30 Gants/Gaunts.

[rabidweasel33]

From the games I've seen him play, he keeps him by his land raider and "longfangs" with a lascannon and his reroll hit rolls of 1 aura. His shooting heavy cover camping Wolves are still odd to me.

Bjorn is T8 with a 3+ and a 5+ ignore wounds which I know isn't invincible. The obnoxious part is he's a W8 character and can't be shot in the shooting phase. I'll probably default to new 8th edition indoctrination and throw genestealers down his throat, or just ignore him and focus the rest of his army down.

[acehilator]

If he keeps him strictly ranged, ignore him. It is just a fancy looking Ancient Dread with the Captain reroll combined in one model. Just kill the rest of his army as effeciently as possible and done. It is just the way 8E works for pretty much everyone.

[bolk]

Bjorn? Bury him in a tide of Genestealers, or other horde units, but Genestealers will kill him if they get the charge off.

[arf]

My meta has a space marine player running GMAN surrounded by 4 preds and a leviathan dread, wrapped again by scouts and marines. He can easily kill multiple MCs a turn and the heavy bolters + leavithan put a pretty good sting on hordes too. I haven't had trouble beating the list, but it requires multiple deep striking units and malanthropes + any other negative modifier to shooting for what stays on the board. I have also had lots of success with the mawloc being the distraction it was born to be. Just thought I would share, that list can blast a lot off the table per turn.

[leviathanswarmlord]

So adeptus custodes are space marines right? Any advice for playing them?

[burd]

Its hard to generalise marines. Dark angels blood angels perfect example. My weekly opponent is a Blood Angels guy and i,have a dark angels back up army. The key to me winning is killing his buffers 1st and keeping his big shots tied up. And dark angels are different because even if you tie somthing up it has strats to fall back and still shoot you as if it had fly .dropping small termie squads in to shoot you twice. 5 termies making 40 shots when shooting twice rerolling all misses with Belial (termie grandmaster) read up on opponents they all have their niches

[nidcron]

Having trouble vs Dark Angels Hellblasters with Ezeikiel. They are always camped at the top of a building and he just makes no room for any cc to get in. With the BS rules about if you can't place you can't charge he's basically got a 30" rapid fire plasma team with 2+/4++ rerolling all misses, and no Genestealers are going to be able to get into cc.

What can you even do against that? I have tried biovores, but at 2w each even with my squad of 3 hitting twice I am only killing 1 or maybe 2, if I pull a lucky 6, per round at best with MW.

I have considered dropping a unit of 20 devilgunts in a pod, but even with 60 shots youre looking at an avg of 40 hits (with the +1 to hit for squad of 20), 20 wounds, and with that 2+ save because of cover your lucky to kill 1, maybe 2 again, but thats if they don't use the stratagem to fire on you when dropping in.

I generally don't have issues with much else, he runs scouts for his troops, and 3 predators (ezekiel being in range of both the predators squad and hellblasters squad with his aura) So MC's generally just drop to 2d3 48" s7 shots per predator, plus the 2 heavy bolters (6 36" s5 shots) per predator.

Any advice? Our game store pretty much has a saturation of multi level ruins/buildings so terrain seems to be stacked against me.