GKs on battlescribe

[LordPathos]

Just got my codex and updated the app to male a list. The new stuff for GK is in there now. I know they are not the authority on rules bit it is odd that the Dreadnought can take twin autocannons and the Librarian can a stormshield. Odd that it has the 2 things that I desperately wanted. #JustAsPlanned
Other than that, Im really liking the codex. Not overpowered I feel unless a ton of 12" D1 smites is a scary thing.

[LordPathos]

The big thing that Im confused about is that it doesnt allow a GK Lib to be on a bike. According to that article on the community site, you can use models that are not in the codex by using the index datasheet but any upgrades/wargear have to be bought using the current codex points. That's why I thought it was messy about taking a Storm Shield on a GK Lib. Cuz the logic is this:
Want GK Lib with SS, there is no datasheet in codex.
Must use Imperium 1 datasheet, there is no datasheet, it specifically says to use SM datasheet.
Use SM datasheet for Lib, SS is an option.
So, I can use Lib with SS if I use Imperium 1 datasheet but use SM codex SS points.
Messy, but sounds valid to me. What about Libs on Bikes? Its practically using the same logic. You just use the Lib on bike datasheet. Done.

Like I said, I know battlescribe isnt what I should go by. Its just interesting that some think the rules do play out this way. At least in regards to the SS.

[LordPathos]

Just realized why the GK Lib cannot be on a bike. GKs can only ever take a Lib in Termie armor. So when you look at the SM datasheets from the index, the Lib on bike is not an option. Boom.

[Jabberwocky]

Reminds me of when AoS launched and half my empire army became invalid with the options I'd modelled them with.

[LordPathos]

I'm sorry. I have warriors togethers from 4th with Scything Talons and Rending Claws. You know, back when melee weapons stacked. I feel you. I have had to proxy my Warriors in every edition since.

[Jabberwocky]

Half my warriors have that load out too haha!

[gigasnail]

Aug 21, 2017 4:54:51 GMT LordPathos said:

Just realized why the GK Lib cannot be on a bike. GKs can only ever take a Lib in Termie armor. So when you look at the SM datasheets from the index, the Lib on bike is not an option. Boom.

You have very specific choices with GK libbies in the index. You can take exactly what it says, and nothing else. The libby on bike is a totally separate entry. The libby they can take is restricted in gear as far as I can tell, which was why I was confused at the SS question. It was never supposed to be taking it at all.

[LordPathos]

The specific choices you have in the index are whatever a normal SM Lib could take because the GK section directed you to use the SM datasheet. That is why you could use a SS on a GK Lib, because you had to use the SM datasheet and there was nothing in the GK index saying you couldn't use the SS.

But you are correct, the Lib on bike is a completely different datasheet, one that GKs never had access to in the first place. It was my mistake thinking a GK Lib could be on a bike.

But due to the article that specifically used autocannon Dreads and Libs on bikes as an examples, I could use a SS on a GK Lib even with the current codex. We went over that mess before, I don't feel I need to type that whole logic behind it up again.

[gigasnail]

There are footnotes on the GK index entry for libbys restricting their equipment options. It's not as cleAR as I'd like but yeah, I don't think this (SS on a GK libby in term armor) was ever legal.

[LordPathos]

All the little footnote says is the Lib gets a Nemisis Force Stave instead of a regular one and could swap that for any of the other melee weapons. That is a separate 'weapon slot' tham a SS. Saying it couldn't take a SS becuase it wasnt in the index footnote is the same as saying the Lib couldnt take a combi weapon.

[gigasnail]

reading it at first, that's actually exactly how i read it (i.e. that you couldn't). it's irrelevant now, their actual codex is out.

[LordPathos]

Truth. Silly to go back and forth about it.