Bugcurion

[N.I.B.]

Oct 27, 2015 23:34:17 GMT Davor said:

Was on Dakka to read some news and rumours and came apon someone saying Bugcurion for the upcoming Nid codex.

I thought it was funny.

I hate it. When people refer to Tyranids as 'bugs', because of Starship Troopers


To me, Tyranids are a species of aliens, more akin to HR Giger's creature. Monsters, not insects. I hate ants. Insects are annoying and disgusting and a force of nature. I want my Tyranids to be terrifying and cunning monsters driven by a malevolent intelligence.

[azrael9986]

I feel like they are more reptile with insect like qualities.

[angelwing]

They are dino - lobster - hive insect - Aliens in spaaaaace.
The first tyranid warrior models had reptilian skin, teeth and claws but with an insectiod 3 segment body, 3 pairs of limbs and a stinger tail.
The crustacean attributes start appearing with the screamer killer carnifex and 3rd ed introduces crushing claws and jointed exoskeletons.
The idea of genestealers is clearly based on the 'Alien' films, and 2nd ed hormagaunts are based on the look of Alien. 3rd ed hive tyrants are the Alien queen of course.

The 'bugs' tag started around third ed (in the codex AC refers to the player as 'Colonel Cockroach' and of course from the film Starship Troopers. Starship troopers also shows us on screen what a tyranid vs guard battle could look like and was the only thing we had until Dawn of War computer game mods. I'm not surprised its left a 'bugs' impresion on 40k players of the time.
It should be noted that in Aliens, Hicks refers to the xenomorph search / destroy mission as a 'Bug hunt'.

[Deleted]

flyrants tax ?
i think you need to pray dudes

unfortunately, i think GW will kill the flyrant "spam" and limit the number of flyrant per army
it could be funny to see how GW will ruin our army this time,
no i think they will encourage to take foot hive tyrant, and make like for the tau decurion (do you know that you can't take more than 1 ethereal per core formation ?)
i think there will be a winged formation like skyblight, but with the tax of 1 crone and 2 harpies ans gargoyles

IMO core formation will look like something as :
1 HT 0-1 guards
3+ gaunts squads - warriors
1+ tervigon
1+ stealers
1+ gargoyles
1+ carnifex - toxicrene
or tyranofex

and something with synapse like 18" and another (please do not swear) rule

if this codex is worse than before or the same with just a few more rules (like tau), i'll stop the nids

[Jabberwocky]

I'd be very happy with forced diversity if the scale of our army massively increases as others have.

For instance if the Tervigon simply comes with free gants, carnifex come with free bioplasma in their formation, harpies come with free gargoyles, Tyrants on foot come with free guards, Warriors come with free hormies, etc.

[Deleted]

ah cool idea jabber !!

[montytrygon]

How about a endless swarm for the whole army?
Our Units are super bad compared with others, but we could have much more, if evryone returns on a 4+.

[N.I.B.]

Nov 1, 2015 10:07:48 GMT @manu said:

flyrants tax ?
i think you need to pray dudes

unfortunately, i think GW will kill the flyrant "spam" and limit the number of flyrant per army

Like they killed the Waveserpent spam for Eldar? In that case, I can't wait! But like you say, MW is more likely to ruin our army in a new way.

[Kark]

Special rules from skytide and livingtide "formations" are very good, You roll 4+ with reroll to see if destroyed unit (all gaunts and mines) come back. The only problem is that this formations don't fit under 1850pts or 2000pts lists. If the new decurion detachmnet for tyranids fixes it, we will get quite competitive and fluffy army.

[gaowen]

Nov 1, 2015 16:20:51 GMT Kark said:

Special rules from skytide and livingtide "formations" are very good, You roll 4+ with reroll to see if destroyed unit (all gaunts and mines) come back. The only problem is that this formations don't fit under 1850pts or 2000pts lists. If the new decurion detachmnet for tyranids fixes it, we will get quite competitive and fluffy army.

Having played skytide in tournaments I agree that the special rules are nice but the tax is just horrible since Harpies are awful and Gargoyles aren't much better. If those two units alone got a buff then skytide would be awesome.

[Kark]

Don't confuse Skyblight with skytide

[LordPathos]

I really doubt any command benefits from a "bugcurion" will give you anything from the formation/dataslates. It seems to augment the 1 main thing each army does. I haven't seen the new Tau one (if there even is one), but the Decurion let's the Necrons get back up easier, and the Eldar Warhost makes them even faster. The command benefits of taking a "bugcurion" will probably be something Synapse related. Rerolls IB or maybe we'll get Eternal Warrior again. I'd use that.

[Deleted]

Nov 1, 2015 17:35:24 GMT LordPathos said:

I really doubt any command benefits from a "bugcurion" will give you anything from the formation/dataslates. It seems to augment the 1 main thing each army does. I haven't seen the new Tau one (if there even is one), but the Decurion let's the Necrons get back up easier, and the Eldar Warhost makes them even faster. The command benefits of taking a "bugcurion" will probably be something Synapse related. Rerolls IB or maybe we'll get Eternal Warrior again. I'd use that.

the hunter contingent gives Coordinated firepower and can be insane if the list is awful (like many crisis, riptide, ghostkeel etc)
in fact you can decide to shoot with several units against a unit and these units share their rules  like they are a single one that means if a unit has preferred enemy for example and one other has monster hunter, when you shoot with them they use the 2 abilities against this enemy unit.
And if 3 or more units shoot together, you just add 1 to BS (and that's awful) and imagine with an optimized stealth cadre against a squadron of vehicle ... +2 and the shots are against the rear armor crac boom uuuuuuh

for nids, I don't what they will give us :
4++ for gaunts ? boarf, these are just meh .....
EW under synapse ? no we wait for it since 2-3 years and I don't think our dream will come true
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[slithernaut]

3 Core Formations

Endless Swarm
1 Warrior Prime
3 Warrior Broods
3 Hormagaunt Broods


Sky Swarm
1 Shrike Prime
3 Shrike Broods
3 Gargoyle Broods


Incubator Swarm
1 Tervigon Prime
1-4 Tervigons
3 Termagant Broods

3 Command Formations

1 Flyrant
1 Hive Crone
3 Sky slasher broods

1 Tyrant
1 Tyrantguard brood
3 Hivegaurd Broods

1 Maleceptor
3 Zoanthropw Broods



9 Auxiallry formations

1 Dimachaeron
3+ Lictors
0-1 Death leaper

1 Sporocsyt
3 Mucilids

1 Toxicrene
3 Venomthrope Broods

1 Harpy
3 Spore mine broods

1 Mawloc
3 Ripper Broods

1 Trygon Prime
3 Ravener Broods
0-1 Red Terror

1 Tyrannofex
1+ Carnifex Broods
0-1 Old One Eye

1 Haruspex
3 Pyrovores

1 Exocrine
3 Biovores

Something like this... Expect it.

[Kark]

Dimachaeron? that's certainly not going to happen.