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Post by slithernaut on Nov 30, 2014 19:25:52 GMT
NO we dont need even more brainleech spam. I'd rather see other options become viable again. Close combat for example. You know, the thing tyranids are supposed to be good at. I used to rock Toxin Sacks and 2 Sets of Scy Talons on my Flyrant, but when they bumped her BS up in 6E, I finally gave into the Devourer spam. If I have to have one, I'd rather have BL Devourer Harpies than BL Devour Flyrants. Hive Tyrant is a close combat monster and should be kitted out as such.
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Post by neomangas on Dec 1, 2014 13:20:25 GMT
NO we dont need even more brainleech spam. I'd rather see other options become viable again. Close combat for example. You know, the thing tyranids are supposed to be good at. I used to rock Toxin Sacks and 2 Sets of Scy Talons on my Flyrant, but when they bumped her BS up in 6E, I finally gave into the Devourer spam. If I have to have one, I'd rather have BL Devourer Harpies than BL Devour Flyrants. Hive Tyrant is a close combat monster and should be kitted out as such. I kinda wish the Non-flying Tyrant was the go to choice... as you say the combat build! Tyrant and Tyrant guards should be the way... i personally think it looks cooler too... but somehow it is just ridiculously expensive! Tyrant guards should be 30p!! a unit that completely relies on being fielded along side a Hive Tyrant and nothing else being incredibly one dimensional with only 2W same WS and I as a warrior but less attacks... and somehow they thought this is worth 50p?! just because it has T6? and a 3+?!
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Post by Silegy on Dec 1, 2014 13:45:37 GMT
I used to rock Toxin Sacks and 2 Sets of Scy Talons on my Flyrant, but when they bumped her BS up in 6E, I finally gave into the Devourer spam. If I have to have one, I'd rather have BL Devourer Harpies than BL Devour Flyrants. Hive Tyrant is a close combat monster and should be kitted out as such. I kinda wish the Non-flying Tyrant was the go to choice... as you say the combat build! Tyrant and Tyrant guards should be the way... i personally think it looks cooler too... but somehow it is just ridiculously expensive! Tyrant guards should be 30p!! a unit that completely relies on being fielded along side a Hive Tyrant and nothing else being incredibly one dimensional with only 2W same WS and I as a warrior but less attacks... and somehow they thought this is worth 50p?! just because it has T6? and a 3+?! You are looking for problems in incorrect places. Firstly, TL Dev Flyrant is one of the best HQs units in the entire game. Its a fooking monstar. Secondly, its a meta call. We are a shooty army in a shooty edition (dont swap the OOs for ITs, please). Our options change as our dex, other dexes and BRBs change. For example, back when 6th BRB came out and we still had access to BRB powers, Swarmlord with Warpspeed was actually legit. And my last point is, you can make CC Tyrant work, but you need to tailor your list for it. Visit jaysics CC Nids thread (but shield your guts for that awful nickname he calls his CC Tyrants. Seriously, if I was his Tyrant I would just run away and join Tau for the Greater Good. )
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Post by neomangas on Dec 1, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
I kinda wish the Non-flying Tyrant was the go to choice... as you say the combat build! Tyrant and Tyrant guards should be the way... i personally think it looks cooler too... but somehow it is just ridiculously expensive! Tyrant guards should be 30p!! a unit that completely relies on being fielded along side a Hive Tyrant and nothing else being incredibly one dimensional with only 2W same WS and I as a warrior but less attacks... and somehow they thought this is worth 50p?! just because it has T6? and a 3+?! You are looking for problems in incorrect places. Firstly, TL Dev Flyrant is one of the best HQs units in the entire game. Its a fooking monstar. Secondly, its a meta call. We are a shooty army in a shooty edition (dont swap the OOs for ITs, please). Our options change as our dex, other dexes and BRBs change. For example, back when 6th BRB came out and we still had access to BRB powers, Swarmlord with Warpspeed was actually legit. And my last point is, you can make CC Tyrant work, but you need to tailor your list for it. Visit jaysics CC Nids thread (but shield your guts for that awful nickname he calls his CC Tyrants. Seriously, if I was his Tyrant I would just run away and join Tau for the Greater Good. ) Its undeniable... Flyrants are beasts! they are amazing, best thing in our codex! I just don't wanna encourage the flying dinosaurs theme GW has with Tyranids... luckily I converted mine to look like a gigantic fly BUGS!!!!!!
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Post by whoadirty on Dec 3, 2014 2:37:40 GMT
Well, and stop short-sighting what you're getting with IA4. There's tons of interesting and useful content in that book; not to mention updated rules for all of our Gargantuan critters. You aren't paying that hefty price "just to use two models." It's your own fault if that's all you get out of it. Not really interested in the Dima or the GCs, so "tons of ... useful content" is relative. In my case I would be paying for the rules for a Malanthrope and some fluff.
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Post by gigasnail on Dec 3, 2014 5:13:36 GMT
the book is gorgeous, and has updated zone mortalis rules as well. totally worth it.
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Post by luke1705 on Dec 3, 2014 5:25:00 GMT
the book is gorgeous, and has updated zone mortalis rules as well. totally worth it. Yeah this was my first forge world book and I was really blown away by the quality. I can, however, understand those who would rather not pay so much for a small number of rules sets, especially when the models themselves are so expensive. I think GW will get on the digital bandwagon someday like they did with the white dwarfs. You can get rules for the Knights, Be'Lakor, etc for like $4. That feels fine to me. Of course, that would kill a huge part of the market for their books, but some people buy them for the fluff, right? All that being said, it does have a lot of rules, plus a cool campaign that I'm dying to try out
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Post by daboarder on Dec 3, 2014 5:40:02 GMT
then there are those of us who own the first variant which actually had MORE rules for nid players in it
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Post by Silegy on Dec 3, 2014 6:44:11 GMT
the book is gorgeous, and has updated zone mortalis rules as well. totally worth it. Yeah this was my first forge world book and I was really blown away by the quality. I can, however, understand those who would rather not pay so much for a small number of rules sets, especially when the models themselves are so expensive. I think GW will get on the digital bandwagon someday like they did with the white dwarfs. You can get rules for the Knights, Be'Lakor, etc for like $4. That feels fine to me. Of course, that would kill a huge part of the market for their books, but some people buy them for the fluff, right?Plus some groups have some sort of stupid "Hard copy or bust" policy. (I think NIBs group was one of these?)
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Post by N.I.B. on Dec 3, 2014 11:32:21 GMT
Yup, no digital-only stuff. No Forgeworld either.
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Post by luke1705 on Dec 3, 2014 21:39:32 GMT
Yup, no digital-only stuff. No Forgeworld either. I could see some of the justification for that, but where do you draw the line? Can you use Be'Lakor, who to my knowledge only has rules using the digital dataslate? Can you use the assassins? They now are exclusively digital if I'm not mistaken. I own a digital copy of the white dwarf where it has the rules for the imperial knight. Should I have to go buy the physical white dwarf to play it? If I have the digital codex for my army, is that not kosher, or should I have to lug around a bunch of books in addition to the boxes of models? I can understand no forge world more than no digital, but it's just a shame. Forge world, by and large, isn't for the power gamers, and the restriction on forge world I think is mostly because people don't want to have to keep track of even more models. I can understand that attitude, but please excuse my French when I say to those people: "Grow a pair." To me, it's very few steps away from the guy I once met who didn't like playing with/against flyers because it "ruined the game because they are OP". Where do you draw the line at what to exclude? Sorry to go all tangent on this thread. It just gets my goat that some people don't understand that a large part of the player base is just looking to have fun and buy cool models. I don't think it's right to tell them they can't have fun with this or that model because you can't just tell the power gamer in your club that you don't want to play his list, or you don't have 5 minutes before your 2.5 hour game to hear what this model does. *end rant*
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Post by monkeychuka on Dec 3, 2014 22:02:49 GMT
going back to OP, I run a singleton Malanthrope in backfield supporting my artillery and rippers. But my opponents are getting wise to it and blitzkrieg him down in one turn with superior, long range, ignores cover firepower. I try to hide him now but think I'm going to have to start taking two of them.
I'm getting a bit sick of 2 Flyrants tbh and wish there were other decent HQ options. I was thinking of running Deathleaper for shts and giggles. Anyone had competitive success with this or other HQ choices? Maybe even a bog standard Tyrant with a big gun? My meta is 1500pts and no double CAD.
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Post by luke1705 on Dec 3, 2014 22:15:30 GMT
going back to OP, I run a singleton Malanthrope in backfield supporting my artillery and rippers. But my opponents are getting wise to it and blitzkrieg him down in one turn with superior, long range, ignores cover firepower. I try to hide him now but think I'm going to have to start taking two of them. I'm getting a bit sick of 2 Flyrants tbh and wish there were other decent HQ options. I was thinking of running Deathleaper for shts and giggles. Anyone had competitive success with this or other HQ choices? Maybe even a bog standard Tyrant with a big gun? My meta is 1500pts and no double CAD. At 1500, I think Deathleaper is a great idea. The only issue is that you run into synapse issues, but a Malanthrope or two solves those nicely (probably two). You just have to try and get your army to synergize with the Deathleaper, which isn't as easy as it sounds, but Tyrannocytes help.
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Post by nameless on Dec 3, 2014 22:42:21 GMT
Yeah, I'd make sure to have at least two of: Mawloc or Tyrannocyte. Then just keep it alive until the stuff come in.
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Post by N.I.B. on Dec 4, 2014 10:33:03 GMT
Yup, no digital-only stuff. No Forgeworld either. I could see some of the justification for that, but where do you draw the line? Can you use Be'Lakor, who to my knowledge only has rules using the digital dataslate? Can you use the assassins? They now are exclusively digital if I'm not mistaken. I think you answered your own question. I own a digital copy of the white dwarf where it has the rules for the imperial knight. Should I have to go buy the physical white dwarf to play it? If I have the digital codex for my army, is that not kosher, or should I have to lug around a bunch of books in addition to the boxes of models? No, as long as it's accessable in print, a digital copy is ok AFAIK. I can understand no forge world more than no digital, but it's just a shame. Agreed. Forge world, by and large, isn't for the power gamers Er... that would be your very subjective personal opinion. Seems Malanthropes and Barbed Hierodules are the fluffiest units for Tyranids, judging from their popularity... Where do you draw the line at what to exclude? That's the real question, isn't it? Every TO can do what he wants. Most important is to make sure people have a good time and want to come back for more. Part of the problem is that 40K is swelling exponentially, rules-wise. There's now SO MUCH STUFF that it's hard for a TO to be able to offer a solid judging on many things, and silly/OP combinations can easily slip through. The dude organizing the tournament I'm talking about also has other committments in his life, a store ro run and a family. He hasn't the time necessary to be informed about everything. Part of the reason he has drawn the line at printed stuff, is to reign it in and make it more surveillable. And he's afraid to alienate the - very vocal - core of competitive players that travel around the country to climb the ranking ladder. Also here in Sweden, we have a long tradition of comp scores and/or restrictions. The gaming climate is pretty soft. I look at envy at the UK/US meta were you can use all tools available to us, digital formations and Forgeworld. I wonder how it's like in Poland? They have perhaps the biggest tournament scene in the world, per capita. Also Germany. They usually don't venture out much from their native language forums though.
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