Vs. Chaos Daemons v7.0

[WestRider]

If he has a Skull Cannon, try to take it out before he hits combat. That's the main source of Assault Grenade Equivalents for Daemons. After that, you can hug cover and shoot, and get to turn the tables and strike first when he Charges you.

[novo]

Aug 27, 2014 6:25:38 GMT WestRider said:

If he has a Skull Cannon, try to take it out before he hits combat. That's the main source of Assault Grenade Equivalents for Daemons. After that, you can hug cover and shoot, and get to turn the tables and strike first when he Charges you.

He has two of these....  they are pretty rough in fantasy too.  

[LordPathos]

Fleshborer Hive.

[gigasnail]

FBH is never the answer to anything.

[WestRider]

See! I told you!

[Kark]

There are also soul grinders that can assault and stop gaunts from tarpitting screamers or fleshounds. Aerial support such as tyrants and crones can take care of them, but AV13, 4HP and 5++ inv (or better cover) is not that easy to take out. And while FMCs advance, they can be slashed by screamers. Belakor is a nasty HQ choice, 2+ cover, 4++, knows all telepathy powers.

I lately played against deamons that were not summoning army. All tzeentch heralds were rolling for divination. 4++ power and grimoure grants 2++ with rerolls of 1s. Belakor's telepathy shrouded gives nearby screamers 2+ cover for jinking with rerolls of 1s. Psychic shriek is merciless against gaunts or rippers that DSed on objectives. Invisible fleshounds would be quite safe against devourer fire. 2 soul grinders can be blessed with prescience for fire (skyfire) support and can really aid deamons in CC.

I played skyblight with CAD I had 3 Tyrants, 3 Crones, 2 Harpies (HVCs), 2 rippers with DS and gargoyles with toxin sacs. I lost the battle, but this army was doing OK. I had some misfortune with dice rolls (I failed almost every grounding tests) my opponent has some end game luck and wiped out some garoyles from objectives due to warp storm table fire (he rolled like 5 6s out of 6 rolls and then some 6s for number of hits). Only one of my gargoyle brood came back and scatter off 10'' from objective. We were tied for mealstroms, he has advantage in KPs (damn grounding tests) and more points from hold objectives (this was because of some bad luck, it ought to be draw). His army was not a comfortable match up for me, so I am quite satisfied with what I've fielded.

[glitchrr36]

Daemonkin armies look brutal. THey aparantly have some rule that if uou take a certain hq, you get one of the following: 8 heavy support choices, 8 elite choices, or 8 fast attack.

[gigasnail]

that's not exactly how it works. daemonkin are kind of wonky but can spam khorne flesh hounds along with juggerlords/heralds.

[ptderfel]

Hi Hive!
How do we counter these new daemon psycher spam lists with belakor and kairos fate weaver, all rolling telepathy to spam psychic shriek and invisibility???

[Kark]

Hive Tyrants and Hive crones can use vector strikes to deal with belakor, kairos and other deamon FMCs.

Mawlocs can take care of things with 2+/2+ cover save or invisibility. Vector strikes also hit invisible units.

ESG on flyrants and haywire missiles on hive crones can deal with soul grinders. Devourers can hurt rear AV.

Lictors, hive crones and tyrants are quite safe from psychic shriek as they have ld10. Using 4 flyrants You have 9-14 dice to deny the witch.

[tomb]

Quick screamer question.

When 'swapping normal attacks for a lampreys bite do screamers still gain an additional attack when charging?

Seems to be a few different opinions / interpretations of this one.

Cheers!

[snowdaman]

They trade their attacks for one attack. Set values are always last when doing math in 40k. It sets there attacks to one.

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[tomb]

Jan 28, 2016 16:16:39 GMT snowdaman said:

They trade their attacks for one attack. Set values are always last when doing math in 40k. It sets there attacks to one.

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Cheers !

[shadow12]

by taking a quick look at them despite not playing against these guys I believe that the shadowbrink war detailed in the 6th edition codex holds some truth on dealing with them.Being melee based and stronger than our melee alternative get out some biovores and exocrines and any blast and template weapons such as venom cannons and acid spray and take all of them out enmasse before they can charge.Be aware of the warp table.I have very little knowledge of it but I know this is a unique factor with chaos armies that makes the game more luck based despite anything you can muster so be prepared for anything including the loss of warlords or any essentials on which the game might be turned against you despite being in an advantage.This can also go on your side as well I believe but it is very random.Each chaos god as their own unique traits on their forces.They have no ranged presence so make sure to stop any advance and if they can,t charge you they will have an extremely difficult time winning.