Tyranid Rumours Round up. (edit Update on Nov 8)

[bolk]

Nov 2, 2013 11:30:34 GMT infornography said:

Nov 2, 2013 2:41:51 GMT Raven said:

The Swarmlord is the strongest melee character in a challenge in the entirety of 40k, if you factor in his 66% chance to get Iron Arm there isn't a single model that can reliably beat the Swarmlord one on one more than 38% of the time.

Well, this is mostly true, but this isn't the whole story. Mind Shackle Scarabs stand a good chance of outright negating the swarmlord in a challenge and in fact stand a decent chance at trivializing any challenge. Also with Swarmy lacking EW, force weapons and instant death weapons are a particular threat to him.

Additionally there are his difficulties even getting to the point where a challenge is involved. With his potency in melee being well known and his utter lack of mobility coupled with his expensive and not very flexible options for a unit he can attach to, he rarely makes to to that point. Iron Arm does increase his odds notably, but still does nothing to prevent being utterly annihilated by grav guns or whittled down by poisoned/sniper shots. The calculations in determining the best challenge character must necessarily include their odds of ever being in a challenge. And in Swarmy's case, those odds aren't good.

Iron Arm sure improves his odds, and yes with up to 3 T6 2W bodyguards taking shots at him on a 2+ he can be almost indestructible, but then you`re talking about a 460 points unit. I find it a kind of (please do not swear) to have a 280 points HQ having a 3+ and no ++ when you look at what other armies can get on their HQs for the same or less cost, like infornography said.
It`s a good chance you`ll roll Iron Arm on him, but it`s still just a chance, while other HQs have the EW special rule built in at all times from the codex. If you take away Biomancy from us, and look at only the codex we get a T6 5W 3+ with no EW and mediocre psychic powers, except for Paroxysm, which doesn`t really help a WS9 Tysonmonster much.
Old Swarmy getting a 4++ or 5++ against ranged attacks doesn`t seem overpowered to me in that context.

[lictor534]

warp field needs to be reinstated as a biomorph with HT's and others being able to add it at at a cost, like back in 2nd regeneration should be able to be used after the death of a creature

[leeroy1986]

Ive played the Swarmlord+ bodyguard several times and even with Iron arm he still gets shot to pieces against most armies.

[atilha]

regeneration should be able to be used after the death of a creature

Regeneration should be usable and not be another feel no pain.

[Hive Bahamut]

Call it renegeration protocols.. Haha. No but seriously our army should have regen as a viable alternative to inv. But that isn't the case. I would gladly sacrifice the rumoured ravenous assault for a Syanpse regen/fnp that works.

[Silegy]

Nov 3, 2013 0:36:37 GMT Hive Bahamut said:

Call it renegeration protocols.. Haha. No but seriously our army should have regen as a viable alternative to inv. But that isn't the case. I would gladly sacrifice the rumoured ravenous assault for a Syanpse regen/fnp that works.

Don't force your Nidzilla amongst others.

[N.I.B.]

Nov 1, 2013 18:43:41 GMT coredump said:

I don't know of anyone that plays with double detachments at 2K.

This. Pointless 'buff'. I know no double FOC slot tournaments in my country. And even if there were any - yay 2 Doom. Ugh, 6 Annihilation Barges. No thanks.

About Swarmlord, I always breathe a sigh of relief when facing a Walklord instead of a Flyrant. I can control the move of the Walklord, but not a Flyrant. Walklord is easily tarpitted, and allows my whole army to fight his smaller army thanks to the point dumped into him. He's even worse than a walking Shellrant with 2xTL Devourers and without OA he's a worse army multiplier.

[innocent]

Double Force org tourneys are not uncommon around here, I attended 2 last year. The worse I had to face was 4 Anni Barges and 4 Vendettas in single squadrons (won and won). The potential for abuse is there, but in practice people will still bring what they own, and there aren't enough 2000 points tourney to justify cheeseeing up for double force org. This might change in the future ,although at the rate new codexes come out it won't be until all the armies have been updated and the meta has stabilized. For now I don't find them particular different or harder from a single force org tourney.

And on a side note: double force org is a massive boon for Nids, makes up for our lack of allies. it doesn't solve everything but it definitely helps.

[Geneva]

I've noticed that an over-reliance on fliers can lead to area denial for a player. I was bricking it going up against a heavily spammed, dual force org Nightscythe list last weekend but half the time his fliers were being forced to fly off the board. I supposed it didn't hurt that I was taking advantage of the fact by placing broadly spaced out midfield Guardsmen blobs exactly 18" away from his vehicles whenever I could (Move! Move! Move!) to block lanes of passage and force him to fly towards the table edges. Shouldn't be too hard with Gaunts either I'd imagine. 6th Ed doesn't seem to reward a lot of spam play if my recent experiences are anything to go on.

I think double force org will help us more than hinder us. Now, getting people to play it at tournaments... that's the tricky part.

[killme304]

My local tournies allow double force org, but no one has won with a list that uses it. Even at 2500 points, its hard to take quality stuff in all slots, while still leaving space for other things. 6 Heldrakes is a nightmare.... until you realize that this is the only thing in the list that actually does anything, and don't score. Crons could do it best I guess, but even then they could get a very similar list without the extra HQ. I don't have the guard book, but they are the closest thing to abusing it maybe?

The problem with spam lists (which would use it), is that if the enemy has a counter, you just lose.

[sitael]

Wow... it would be fun if it turns out to be true...



Rumor rating: NaCl coming from unvetted sources.

Still, it does line up with a lot of earlier stuff. You make the call:

"The Dominar embodies Tyranid Hive Mind completely. Within its shadow, lesser creatures bow in servitude, and larger Tyranids find greater access to the warp. It's armored shell protects it from the most powerful weaponry. Any enemy foolish enough to close with it will find no mercy, as it's claws and teeth rip through flesh and armor plating with ease, and within its massive body lie all manner of symbiotic organisms willing to defend their host.

The Karkanos is a lumbering, living fortress. Upon it's back, smaller Tyranids will gather for protection, waiting for the opportune moment to strike at their foes. Bristling with weapons, it can decimate foes as they close, while it's passengers target other enemies.

This multi-part plastic boxed set contains 84 components with which to build one Tyranid Dominar or one Karkanos. This kit contains all the weapon options available to the either creature including cluster spines, heavy venom cannons, brain leech devourers, and acid spray. This kit contains one Large Oval base. It is supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints."


"The dominar has a 18" synapse range and Shadow in the Warp range, and increases the psyker level of all Tyranid Psykers within 6" by 1 level. Also has It will Not Die, psychic Monstrosity, IC(c) and can take most Tyranid Biomorphs. It's bigger than the Tyrranofex model, wider with a taller stance, huge head with a massive brain under a wide plate, large mouth like the trygons. It has three rows of vents along the back plates, but the back plates come up behind the head like a turtle, offering protection."

" the Karkanos looks like a crab. It has a wide flat body, the back plate is sunk in and has a ridge around the outer edges. It's front set of arms can hold a few weapon options like venom cannons or devourers or can take claws or talons. Transport capacity is identical to the spore, but it cannot carry MCs. It is a dedicated transport option for the walking troops: warriors, Genestealers, hormigaunts, Termagants. Open top. Has special rules to handle being a MC and transport...not a vehicle. It's probably one of the most expensive dedicated transports in the game. Can be taken in heavy section solo."

(From BoLs Lounge : www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?33545-Tyranids-Rumor-Roundup/page21)

[guns]

Dang, I like the sound of both of those.

I like the concept of a big crab dude covered in a swarm of little dudes significantly more than a big blob dude filled with a swarm of little dudes. Makes some background sense, too -- at the end of the day Tyranids are still biological creatures with metabolic demands. If a bunch of little guys can catch a ride on a bigger guy it makes more sense to transport them that way than to melt them down and grow new ones.

[infornography]

I like the sounds of those as well, but I know that the Karkanos will attract a non-trivial amount of ire from some in this forum. Still I think it sounds like something that might very well solve some of our issues with warriors, though it sounds like it might lack the speed necessary to close any more quickly.

[Jabberwocky]

Being,open topped, it would be quite a nice platform for Devilgants. Imagine if we can assault from it too....

The Dominar giving higher mastery also sounds great and in line with our new psychic trees having 2 versions of each power. Especially as warp lance would likely be warp charge 2.

Oh and as for it being an IC, I can't see that. Sticking it in a massive blob would be crazy.

[glassiya]

Rumor rating: NaCl coming from unvetted sources.

This one sounds so much ridiculous, that it requires not salt, but weed.