Tyranid allies?

[Deleted]

To each their own but Iin my opinion Tyranids making allies or being mind-controlled takes a giant dump on the fluff. I'm one of those people that immediately notices small plot holes from a mile away amd those are both keg sized pot holes in a 2 lane road.

The Hive Mind would do best to avoid Necrons, as it has done. They quite obviously are bent on wiping everyone else out and have no biomass to reclaim, extremely hollow victory for Tyranids to even try for. Even if they allied with Necrons, they'd still have to fight them. If Necrons were fighting a race/planet that the Tyranids wanted to nom on, it would make more sense to strike at the Necrons immediately after the necrons (or the other side) lose. Fighting along side them would give them great insight into Tyranid warfare and strip away one of Tyranid's greatest strengths, surprise and mystery. Having anything to do with Necrons is the very antithesis to the Tyranid way.and would be a plot I'd expect from M Night.

As for mind control, that's a very steep and slippery slope. If anyone could just make them pets with a device . . . why not just make more/bigger devices and *poof* Tyranids are no longer a threat to the galaxy. I don't think even M Night would deploy a plot device so poorly wrought.

The problem with these plot devices is they nullify the very core aspects of the Tyranid race. Utterly alien, mysterious and no chance for diplomacy. The ultimate kill or be killed scenario. Life or death with no room for words. A force of extinction.

Oh wait, we made these mind conyrol devices, now they're drifting pet zoos... -_-

[greyseer]

That's why I prefer the Tyranids to be the controllers. We already have precedent for Tyranid "control" in Genestealer cults. Even GW specifically stated that the 'stealers were made to interface with us.

We even have precedent for captured 'nids in The Anphelion Project. So the foundation had already been laid by GW itself. Making the next leap is a lot closer than many think.

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[Davor]

My question is for people who don't want Tyranid Allies, is are you playing fluffy? In 40K alot of armies espically SM do not play fluffy. I say it's fair for Tyranids to be able to have allies. This way they can field an extra HQ, Troop and Elite/FA/HS slot. Not fair we can't have the extra FOC choices, even if it's Tyranids being used.

[Deleted]

Yeah, the fluff is what makes Tyranids for me. I do agree we need more FoC flexibility/options and would absolutely love that amd I don't care if other people don't mind much about fluff amd want to ally their nids with whoever. I just think it would be a very sad day, and in my mind the death, of tyranid fluff for them to start allying in the new codex. Id still play but my interest in 40k fluff/stories would be dead and buried unless it was cult stuff.

[yoritomo]

When I look at the ally table in the main rule book I get why most races are allowed to ally with the other race. Sure, there are some WTF moments, but even then I can see scenarios on why it could happen without it being explained to me.

When you need to put an astriex next to the Tyranid listing just to explain why it could happen then you are trying too hard to justify it. Nobody is going to pick up a rule book and say "oh, the reason tyranids and IG can ally is because the IG are using something to control the minds of the tyranids".


We don't need allies. All we need is a good rule to make up for not having allies. Something like all non-Tyranid flyers and swooping FMCs treat the sky as difficult terrain. That would solve out AA problem while making up for not having allies in a very fluffy way (I.e. Tyranid spores in the air screwing with delicate aircraft engines and wings)

[infornography]

I honestly thought allying with IG would be pretty self explanatory by means of an unusually successful genestealer cult, but in general, most other factions don't make much sense without some sort of boondoggle.

The reason I said that you could have an army figure out how to make their units a lower priority to the nids for desperate allies is because it would allow a battle to progress with them working together, but they would face each other immediately after the yummier looking units were dealt with. No fluff breaking stuff there, just modifying prioritization rather than mind control.

All in all, I don't tend to use the ally tables anyway, but I would like the option left open. Particularly if I ever wanted to run a genestealer cult list that utilized IG assets assuming that we never get a codex or supplement for them.

[1swarmlord]

Having allies in games can be fun but I have to admit, i love being the army that everybody loves to hate. people love playing Tyranids because of the true threatening nature of kill them or be consumed. especially in apoc games, we have enough threats to hold our own!