trigon prime or extra HT on foot ?

[tonyrid]

I like the trygon Prime for the added benifit of getting a synapse creature in their backfield. Also it has an assault 12 gun the I try to pop behind vehicles and blast their back armor. I know I need 6's to pen and 5's to glance but with 12 shots its worth a try. Also a Trygon Prime is great in h2h and I have tied up one to two units just trying to kill it making it easier for my genestealers to get in to fight.

[revx]

Jun 27, 2013 16:16:08 GMT chuckles said:

Jun 27, 2013 14:18:54 GMT revx said:

what i meant by "paying" for them is that in almost all cases the extra ST are better and in almost all cases if you wanted a hybrid range-melee tyrant ST and 1 TLD would be better than LWBS and 1 TLD. so yes you arent paying extra points but you are paying potential damage output.

A WS9 creature re-rolling to hit rolls of 1, or striking first against absolutely anything in base contact, or simultaneously if you charged into terrain... Considering I can get access to a better version of that effect by combining Old Adversary with Lash Whip and Bonesword, it seems pretty cut and dried to me

against T5 4 attacks gets you 2.42 wounds with PE, ST, and LWBS
you get 1.778 wounds with ST and LWBS
you get 2.37 wounds with 2 ST

[revx]

and really 2 ST and TS would be far better than the PE, ST, and LWBS as far as building a melee tyrant

[gigasnail]

Problem being a melee only tyrant is kind of s waste.

[tonyrid]

Even a melee tyrant can get psycic powers to use in the shooting phase. Or if you are lucky get iron arm and beef him up to make him even harder to kill as he gets in there.

[beefythepug]

Jun 27, 2013 20:52:30 GMT gigasnail said:

Problem being a melee only tyrant is kind of s waste.

I agree, I am debating building one just to paint/display because I think they look cool. But when it comes to fielding a Tyrant on foot, I only ever go with Swarmlord, 4 powers and 2 warp charges trumps basic footrant (especially when melee equipped).

[gigasnail]

Jun 27, 2013 22:02:23 GMT tonyrid said:

Even a melee tyrant can get psycic powers to use in the shooting phase. Or if you are lucky get iron arm and beef him up to make him even harder to kill as he gets in there.

And is still not as good as a dakka tyrant, much less a dakka flyrant.

[kujwa]

Jun 27, 2013 13:54:23 GMT coredump said:

Jun 27, 2013 10:54:30 GMT undead said:

f but the trygon does draw a lot of fire and doesnt have the nice power weapon that the rant has if given the bonesword

Trygon attacks, like all monstrous creature attacks, ignore armor. (technically, they are AP2) So they are better than most power weapons.

not that i'm challenging this but i'd like to know what page this is stated on in the rule book so when one of the rule lawyers questions me on it i know where to point it out.

[infornography]

Page 48 gives all monstrous creatures the Smash special rule.
Page 42 gives all units with the Smash special rule AP 2 on all attacks except Hammer of Wrath.

[gigasnail]

6th has been out a year now guys, it's nearly criminal not to know basic stuff like this.

[infornography]

Just because someone is playing now, doesn't mean they aren't new to the game. I tend to assume questions like this are due to being new to the game or at least certain aspects of it and don't give them a hard time.

[coredump]

Jun 28, 2013 1:05:54 GMT kujwa said:

not that i'm challenging this but i'd like to know what page this is stated on in the rule book so when one of the rule lawyers questions me on it i know where to point it out.

Never, ever, feel bad about asking for a page quote. (ideally you would be able to look it up yourself, but sometimes you don't know where to look.) Further, once you get that page quote, make sure to check it for yourself.

[Kwodd]

Jun 28, 2013 0:12:16 GMT gigasnail said:

Jun 27, 2013 22:02:23 GMT tonyrid said:

Even a melee tyrant can get psycic powers to use in the shooting phase. Or if you are lucky get iron arm and beef him up to make him even harder to kill as he gets in there.

And is still not as good as a dakka tyrant, much less a dakka flyrant.

Giga is right about the dakka especially if its a slowpoke foot rant. If you want a melee slowpoke take swarmlord. If you want a resilient mobile weapons platform it's dakka shellrant. If u want a fast moving powerhouse with skyfire that CAN be shot out of the sky by an air soft, flyrant.

[gigasnail]

yeah sorry not meaning to be a rules nazi. if you're new to the game, MY BAD. if you're not new to the game, it's a pretty integral part to combat with tyranids, and you should feel bad.

[kujwa]

i just started playing 6th a few months ago and play maybe 3 games a month.

i've read the rules for smash a couple times and it never dawned on me the first part of the explanation saying ap 2, it just went over my head. so thanks to the guys who answered civilly.