questions from my last game.

[sporesprayer]

every game it seems like my and my opponents find new questions about the rules. this game we were playing and two things stick out about psyker powers.

1. I wanted to cast like domination or the #6 telepathy power on my opponents helldrake to stop it from moving and make it fall out of the sky. we decided since it didnt have the required stats for like ANYTHING in telepathy to affect we would just go ask games workshop when they were open and I targeted something else. (I also wanted to enfeeble a monolith)
1.A can a vehicle get pinned by a spell? the RAW say if a "weapon" is "shooting not if someone casts a malediction ( i remember it says if u cast a malediction it takes up one of your weapons in the shooting phase tho...) I realllllllly need to take out the helldrake with a non flyrant. that was the specific instance
soo... any thoughts on what happens here?

2. No where in the rules (that we found tonight) does it say you cant target the unit inside a transport (I was trying to stop the 8 warriors inside a ghost ark from shooting with powers) so like focused witchfire can crush heroes in transports etc.

3. I noticed that the swarmlord's rules dont say his weapons ignore armor. I was attacking a 2+ save lord with him and we were both like "wtf thats clearly not right..." MC's are ap2 attacks (attention other nubz lol)


what is the hive's take on this? I can give more details if anyone needs them in their contemplation.

in other news... tervigon charging and smashing = 3 smash attacks right (1/2 of 3 = 2 + 1 for charging) which exploded said monolith. That tervigon was like the game winning madman because of my 3 MC's that charged he was the only one to roll over a 4 and saved the day. also even when fighting invisible bugs abbadon is still a killing machine.

[Lanesend]

Hey Sporesprayer.

I don't have my rulebook with me, so I can't reference page numbers, but the answers to your questions should be available in the rulebook entries.

1. I think it says in the psy power entry itself where you can cast the powers on. Dominate, I honestly don't know what the wording is, but Enfeeble lowers the Str and Th of the victim. As a Monolith doesn't have a S or T value, there's nothing to enfeeble.

2. Vehicles cannot be pinned, as they don't have a Leadershipvalue. You should be able to find it in the rules for pinning.
NB>When you use a malediction (in the move phase), you can still use two weapons with an MC. Your thinking of witchfires (they are used in the shooting phase).

3. The AP2 for MC's can be found in the Smash rule. That rule says two things. 1) All of the creatures melee attacks are resolved at AP2. 2) The creature can choose to smash (halve his attacks, etc, etc). So according to the Smash rule, you don't have to use a smash attack to benefit from the AP2.

And you're right about the Tervi smash. First you divide or multiply, then you add or substract, and finally you use set modifiers.

Hope it helps a bit.

[Raven]

1. Dominate has no effect on Flyers as they never roll leadership tests. While you can cast Hallucination on vehicles, they are immune to most of its effects, so don't bother. Enfeeble can also be cast on enemy vehicles, but won't do anything.
1A. No, a vehicle can never be pinned or voluntarily go to ground for any reason, also casting a malediction does not take up one of your shooting attacks.

2. You can't draw line of sight to anything in a vehicle, therefore you can't target said unit.

3. Bonesabres don't need to ignore armour as the Swarmlord's attacks are already AP 2 thanks to the Smash USR.

[revx]

doesnt enfeeble make all terrian difficult or dangerous? so a vehicle would have to take checks every time it moved while enfeebled.

[grarik]

Jun 4, 2013 12:32:13 GMT revx said:

doesnt enfeeble make all terrian difficult or dangerous? so a vehicle would have to take checks every time it moved while enfeebled.

I'm no rule expert, but you might actually have something here. The first part of the power would be disgarded, but the terrain bit might not. Anyone more knowledgable want to give this a shot?

[sporesprayer]

can you draw a line of sight to dudes in an open topped vehicle? and yeah if enfeeble can make vehicles take difficult terrain checks (or make skimmers take the check b/c i play against alot of skimmers) its pretty good. also double enfeebling a squad and hitting it with the doom is an excellent way to power him up

[coredump]

I don't think I have *ever* remembered to have an enfeebled unit roll for difficult terrain... :-P

I would say that would work on vehicles.... not sure if it it worth it, but if you have nothing else to cast.

[grarik]

Jun 4, 2013 13:49:20 GMT sporesprayer said:

can you draw a line of sight to dudes in an open topped vehicle? and yeah if enfeeble can make vehicles take difficult terrain checks (or make skimmers take the check b/c i play against alot of skimmers) its pretty good. also double enfeebling a squad and hitting it with the doom is an excellent way to power him up

Nope, in 6th once you're in a vehicle, you can't be shot at. the rules don't make the distinction between a landraider, where the passengers are protected by thick armour, or an ork truk, where the passengers are clinging to the tray in the back, occasionally falling out and having to chase the truck to get back in.

[sporesprayer]

this is very disappointing. at least my 4 zoanthrope 2 pod strike team has proven capable of dealing with some hard targets.

[gigasnail]

it was like that in 5th as well. nothing new.

[sporesprayer]

you cant target your own units with the doom's blast right? like it can scatter back onto termagants and power him up accidently but I cant be like "oh this blob 5 just born termagants is about to feed the doom with their weak numbers" and then put the pie plate on them right?

[infornography]

You cannot aim a weapon at your own models so no.

[revx]

yea i thought enfeeble had difficult terrain test, i remembered using it on my friends tank and he laughed at me telling me it doesn't reduce his shootings S. then he failed the first test and went immobed.

i also like to put it on units that move multiple times. like assault moves and the new run and shoot eldar. more chances they fail a roll.

[Kwodd]

Pg 83 c: tyranids "no armour saves can be taken against wounds inflicted in close combat by a tyranid with a bone sword. Smash in brb adds some redundancy to this for MCs, but remember on tyrant guard and warriors this is the same, glad they didn't say counts as power weapon and turn it ap 3.

[coredump]

Except the SLord doesn't have boneswords.... so that doesn't apply.