Post by N.I.B. on Apr 19, 2013 12:15:32 GMT
I think GW has painted themselves into a corner when it comes to the Carnifex. The Carnifex would need a major overhaul rules-wise to be competitive and reinstall the respect. But due to the release of the new big MCs (Trygon/Tervigon/T-fex) you can't really expect increased survivability for the Carnifex with more wounds. It will never get 6 wounds, it wouldn't make sense as the model is so much smaller. Same with toughness, it's stuck at T6. The only two ways I see the Carnifex become a viable choice again is by better armour save (a 2+ save would go a long way) and lowering the point cost - a lot. Compare the price against Dreadknights, Canoptec Spyders or Talos Pain Engine.
Dakkafex has I1, WS3, S6, T6, 4W, 4 attacks, 3+ save.
Talos has I4, WS5, S7, T7, 3W, 1D6 attacks, 3+ save. For about half the points of the Dakkafex. I remember in 5th ed charging a Talos with a Tervigon at full health. I lost my Tervigon before I could strike. Granted lucky dice for my opponent, but the potential for the points is just a big F you to the Carnifex.
The ranged options are fine (actually only Dual Devourers are fine) , but the cc options leave a lot to wish for. Dual ScyTals or crushing claws isn't good enough for a point sink without fleet, no matter if it gains a 5++ save within synapse or not. A 4+ cover save wasn't really enough to give it a role in 5th ed (were a cover save was easy obtained) so a 5++ invulnerable save won't cut it in 6th ed.
So again, barring some new fancy special rules I think a 2+ save and much lower point cost is the only way we'll see the Carnifex back in tournaments.
Dakkafex has I1, WS3, S6, T6, 4W, 4 attacks, 3+ save.
Talos has I4, WS5, S7, T7, 3W, 1D6 attacks, 3+ save. For about half the points of the Dakkafex. I remember in 5th ed charging a Talos with a Tervigon at full health. I lost my Tervigon before I could strike. Granted lucky dice for my opponent, but the potential for the points is just a big F you to the Carnifex.
The ranged options are fine (actually only Dual Devourers are fine) , but the cc options leave a lot to wish for. Dual ScyTals or crushing claws isn't good enough for a point sink without fleet, no matter if it gains a 5++ save within synapse or not. A 4+ cover save wasn't really enough to give it a role in 5th ed (were a cover save was easy obtained) so a 5++ invulnerable save won't cut it in 6th ed.
So again, barring some new fancy special rules I think a 2+ save and much lower point cost is the only way we'll see the Carnifex back in tournaments.