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Uhtin Hive Tyrant Hive Fleet Lindworm is alive yet again.... Posts: 544	The Doom? Mar 9, 2013 13:00:03 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Uhtin on Mar 9, 2013 13:00:03 GMT Hi all! Can the Doom use Warp blast and Warp lance as the regular Zoanthrope? Thanks.
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dirkspair Hive Tyrant It's a TURTLE STAMPEDE! WALK! WALK FOR YOUR LIVES! Posts: 1,911	The Doom? Mar 9, 2013 13:13:15 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by dirkspair on Mar 9, 2013 13:13:15 GMT No, it can not.

Uhtin Hive Tyrant Hive Fleet Lindworm is alive yet again.... Posts: 544	The Doom? Mar 9, 2013 13:44:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Uhtin on Mar 9, 2013 13:44:33 GMT Ok thanks
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The Doom? Mar 9, 2013 17:14:35 GMT

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Post by Davor on Mar 9, 2013 17:14:35 GMT

Not trying to be a dick here, but do you have the codex? The reason I ask, is we don't want to get in trouble by giving out the rules all the time.

If you do have the codex, you may not know, that the rules are not in the entry of a unit, eg DoM, then it doesn't have the rules. So while they maybe the same as Zoanthropes, each unit has it's own specific rules. Sometimes they will say, "go to page so and so, to see the rules" but it has to say it for it to have them. If it doesn't say it, they don't have it.

Just like how the Swarmlord can't fly even though the Hive Tyrant can. It has to say that IT CAN DO SOMETHING. So if it doesn't say it can do it, then it can't.

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Nightmare20 Hive Tyrant Fear not, the dark, my friend. And let the feast begin. Posts: 623	The Doom? Mar 10, 2013 6:18:02 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Nightmare20 on Mar 10, 2013 6:18:02 GMT Well yes and no. It doesn't explicitly say the Doom has an invuln in the description but it does.
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bigpig Hive Tyrant Posts: 1,734	The Doom? Mar 10, 2013 8:31:26 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bigpig on Mar 10, 2013 8:31:26 GMT Mar 10, 2013 6:18:02 GMT Nightmare20 said: Well yes and no. It doesn't explicitly say the Doom has an invuln in the description but it does. Pg 58 and 89; Both say he has "Warp Field" which is the 3+ invul

Nightmare20 Hive Tyrant Fear not, the dark, my friend. And let the feast begin. Posts: 623	The Doom? Mar 10, 2013 19:06:07 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Nightmare20 on Mar 10, 2013 19:06:07 GMT Okay, reread the entry at 58 and I see it now. I always thought it was only at the back.
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The Doom? Mar 10, 2013 22:51:12 GMT

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Mar 9, 2013 17:14:35 GMT Davor said:

Not trying to be a dick here, but do you have the codex? The reason I ask, is we don't want to get in trouble by giving out the rules all the time.

If you do have the codex, you may not know, that the rules are not in the entry of a unit, eg DoM, then it doesn't have the rules. So while they maybe the same as Zoanthropes, each unit has it's own specific rules. Sometimes they will say, "go to page so and so, to see the rules" but it has to say it for it to have them. If it doesn't say it, they don't have it.

Just like how the Swarmlord can't fly even though the Hive Tyrant can. It has to say that IT CAN DO SOMETHING. So if it doesn't say it can do it, then it can't.

Yeah, but it's entirely possible this could be due to the confusion from that godawful errata where they had to call the Doom a Zoanthrope so he could use Warp Field, and thus just created more confusion. Having the codex doesn't always help.

Jun 19, 2012 11:29:32 GMT pipsickness said:

There is one absolute, undeniable fact when it comes down to venomthropes: If you have one and it's one of the 3 units alive in your army, and you're on a killpoint game. The thing to remember, and I cannot stress this enough, is NOT. Repeat NOT to charge it into Abbadon the Despoiler. This does not end well.

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The Doom? Mar 10, 2013 22:54:18 GMT

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Post by Davor on Mar 10, 2013 22:54:18 GMT

The only reason why we had that errata Psychichobo was because people or rules lawyers or TFG was twisting the rules to say that since the DoM wasn't a Zoanthrope it doesn't get Warp Field. It was WE THE PLAYERS or I should say some of the players acting like dicks that made GW make the FAQ/Errata.

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The Doom? Mar 10, 2013 22:59:51 GMT

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Post by Psychichobo on Mar 10, 2013 22:59:51 GMT

Yeah, but the errata was still about as well written as the average Stephanie Meyer book. It doesn't matter WHY we had the errata, just that we had it which made things even more confusing.

Plus, with the previous Demon book in Fantasy Skulltaker wasn't classed as a Herald so could be put in a unit of Plaguebearers. The errata actually allowed this too, so consistency is a problem here regarding RAW and RAI.

Jun 19, 2012 11:29:32 GMT pipsickness said:

There is one absolute, undeniable fact when it comes down to venomthropes: If you have one and it's one of the 3 units alive in your army, and you're on a killpoint game. The thing to remember, and I cannot stress this enough, is NOT. Repeat NOT to charge it into Abbadon the Despoiler. This does not end well.

infornography Hive Tyrant When all else fails, read the instructions... Posts: 4,385	The Doom? Mar 11, 2013 1:33:55 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by infornography on Mar 11, 2013 1:33:55 GMT The errata SHOULD have been to simply remove the Zoanthrope clause from Warp Field. There was no need for it and that was the source of the problem to begin with.
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emoge Hive Tyrant Posts: 753	The Doom? Mar 11, 2013 2:03:58 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by emoge on Mar 11, 2013 2:03:58 GMT And now continues to be a problem for the Hierophant :/
	Feb 29, 2012 1:03:10 GMT nurglitch said: Mind you, I don't love the Carnifex, I just say that to get it into bed.

infornography Hive Tyrant When all else fails, read the instructions... Posts: 4,385	The Doom? Mar 11, 2013 3:55:36 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by infornography on Mar 11, 2013 3:55:36 GMT Exactly. It would have addressed an issue with our premiere apocalypse beastie without directly addressing it which I know GW is loathe to do for some inexplicable reason.
	Last Edit: Mar 11, 2013 6:39:43 GMT by infornography 04/19/11 at 1:36pm, yoritomo wrote: Luck is statistics taken personally. infornography's 6th ed with 5th ed codex Tyranid Tactica thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Tactics&action=display&thread=42040

coredump Influence of the Hive Mind Posts: 14,383	The Doom? Mar 11, 2013 5:22:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by coredump on Mar 11, 2013 5:22:38 GMT GW does not make rules that concerns themselves with impact on Forge World models, never have anyway.
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infornography Hive Tyrant When all else fails, read the instructions... Posts: 4,385	The Doom? Mar 11, 2013 6:40:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by infornography on Mar 11, 2013 6:40:43 GMT Yep, which is why this was a good opportunity that they missed. Better worded ruling, less confusion, plus as a bonus, would have fixed that issue without directly addressing it. Just purely as an aside.
	04/19/11 at 1:36pm, yoritomo wrote: Luck is statistics taken personally. infornography's 6th ed with 5th ed codex Tyranid Tactica thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Tactics&action=display&thread=42040

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