Cover, Drama and RAW

[commandersasha]

A quick short version: if your MC (or a vehicle) wants a cover save due to Line Of Sight being affected, it needs 25% to be hidden.
If however your MC has a toenail IN Area Terrain, the 25% rule doesn't apply (it still applies to vehicles though).

If you are outside, but behind, area terrain, you are now only using it to block LoS, so the 25% rule matters again.

[guns]

Feb 22, 2013 4:32:06 GMT voncrown said:

Feb 22, 2013 2:43:55 GMT DukeMantis said:

Ok so the debate is still going on, lol.

It seems like the contested point is whether 'IN' the terrain is qualified by 'touching' the terrain, or whether you have to be 'within' it to get the save. My opponent says you only get the save if you are 'a sliver in' the terrain rather than just 'touching'

I can see where he's coming from, but it's pretty much the same thing. Not like you can't just account for that minor change

The opponent is correct. You must actually have entered the area terrain to get the save (even if only half a millimetre of your base is overlapping the terrain).

Voncrown, it actually does make a difference. In order to "touch" the area terrain you don't need to do anything special, whereas in order to actually enter it (even by half a millimetre) you need to risk a difficult terrain test.

[seahawk]

Yep.

"Models in area terrain..." is so cut and dry. "Touching" is not "in". Using the example on page 4:

For example, if any part of a model's base is within [area terrain], the [model is] said to be within [the area terrain].

Then, all the references on page 90 about moving into and within difficult terrain agree. In is in, out is out.


Remember as per my previous post, with forests you can be on the far side of it, not even touching it, and still receive a 5+ cover save.

[coredump]

Feb 22, 2013 15:27:02 GMT seahawk said:

Remember as per my previous post, with forests you can be on the far side of it, not even touching it, and still receive a 5+ cover save.

But this assumes the shot goes 'through' the forest, and not 'above' it. Of course, those definitions are not clearly defined.
I fall back on the 5E definition, so that above is any shot that is higher than the token trees used on the terrain.

[seahawk]

It's an extremely rare occurrence, naturally. Flyers make it a little more common, but even so, I just don't see it happen that much except if one uses shrubs as trees. This is also why my terrain uses tall trees and lots of them. More realistic and more cover-providing!

[revx]

Feb 22, 2013 10:10:24 GMT guns said:

Feb 22, 2013 4:32:06 GMT voncrown said:

I can see where he's coming from, but it's pretty much the same thing. Not like you can't just account for that minor change

The opponent is correct. You must actually have entered the area terrain to get the save (even if only half a millimetre of your base is overlapping the terrain).

Voncrown, it actually does make a difference. In order to "touch" the area terrain you don't need to do anything special, whereas in order to actually enter it (even by half a millimetre) you need to risk a difficult terrain test.

move through cover doesnt risk a dangerous terrian test, unless you me rolling extra dice for moving.