Death From The Skies

[commandersasha]

The Vendetta lost Scout? Cool! No BRB handy, does this mean that they can no longer outflank? If so, that's reduced their total board flexibility nicely for when they come in.

[t⊗theark]

Feb 16, 2013 22:09:25 GMT WestRider said:

The whining I'm seeing from Guard Players is also hilarious to me. With or without Scout and Deep Strike, the Vendetta is one of the most underpriced Units in the Game at this point.

I noted this, but then I remembered I don't run any flyers and quickly got over it. It is sorta like complaining that your double fudge, choc chip, super rich chocolate sundae isn't topped with edible gold glitter.

[WestRider]

Feb 17, 2013 10:31:46 GMT t⊗theark said:

Feb 16, 2013 22:09:25 GMT WestRider said:

The whining I'm seeing from Guard Players is also hilarious to me. With or without Scout and Deep Strike, the Vendetta is one of the most underpriced Units in the Game at this point.

I noted this, but then I remembered I don't run any flyers and quickly got over it. It is sorta like complaining that your double fudge, choc chip, super rich chocolate sundae isn't topped with edible gold glitter.

I hang out on a Guard forum, too, and there have been four or five different threads complaining about it in the last couple of days. It's been pretty noticeable

I've been assuming that mine couldn't Outflank since the previous FAQ said that the Scout Rule did nothing for them. Haven't had a problem with it.

[Psychichobo]

Oh, people will complain if they lose something in their army, if you lose something you feel it.

For us Nid players though it just looks like they're having First World Problems. But then just because there's an army far worse off than you doesn't mean you can't complain. Ogre Special Characters suck apart from Skrag, and I will happily complain about that despite them being one of the best Fantasy books - and I used to play Beastmen too until recently. Them and Wood Elves are kinda like the Nids of Fantasy.

[Geneva]

To be honest, I was expecting a point cost hike for the Vendetta with this book. Heck, it needed it. I'd hardly call losing Scout and Deep Strike a nerf so much as a slight tidy up of the rules. Who deep strikes flyers anyway?

No more flanking enemy flyers with the Vendetta anymore, I guess. Still, IG have access to the best anti-flyer units in the game. Just the sheer amount of Autocannon fire we can muster aided along by a Bring It Down! order often does the job by itself let alone the Hydra, Quad Gun and 'nerfed' Vendetta.

The tier-entitled part of me is little annoyed by the lack of attention to Space Wolves though. I mean, I know we don't need a boost by any means but I'm kind of getting sick of trying to land that lucky Missile Launcher shot or desperately chasing down that one stubborn Stormraven with Njall just to hit it with a crazy random weather effect. It's more minor frustration than anything. Give us a bad flyer even. Or something with overpriced Flakk Missiles. Just something to make it less of a chore to deal with the Flyer happy frenzy that seems to have stricken my local metagame.

I'm going to leave now before disgusted Tau and Eldar players start throwing tomatoes at me.

[hornywingythingy]

^ I didn't think njall affected fliers? Nothing that auto hits does...

[Raven]

If I remember correctly Njal's power isn't a witchfire power and thus isn't affected by the Hard to Hit FAQ, like Objuration Mechanicum.

[vivi22]

Feb 16, 2013 20:57:12 GMT mrmongoose30 said:

Our cheapest anti flyer unit cost twice as much as a flyer and can get shot out of the sky by marker lights...

I think you really mean our only anti-flyer unit. And we get to try and glance Storm Raven's to death. It's starting to feel like 5th edition more and more.

I guess we can at least take some minor solace in the fact that we aren't paying $100 for our flyer.

[infornography]

Our flyer IS really good though and can take out a storm raven in two rounds statistically if it doesn't get any saves. Or if we hit it with two dakka flyrants, one round.

The major problem is that it compels us to fill ALL of our HQ slots with it so we don't get cleared off the map by a list that uses a pair of storm ravens that zoom around annihilating our forces until they deposit their units on objectives. And now that twice as many codecies have access to them this motivation will not diminish at all.

We really just need an option in a different slot for dealing with flyers reliably. Any slot other than HQ would be acceptable, though I would cringe to lose elites to this role.

[Jabberwocky]

If only Fex could take wings....

S9 Vectorstrikes all round!

[vivi22]

Feb 18, 2013 13:20:47 GMT infornography said:

Our flyer IS really good though and can take out a storm raven in two rounds statistically if it doesn't get any saves. Or if we hit it with two dakka flyrants, one round.

The major problem is that it compels us to fill ALL of our HQ slots with it so we don't get cleared off the map by a list that uses a pair of storm ravens that zoom around annihilating our forces until they deposit their units on objectives. And now that twice as many codecies have access to them this motivation will not diminish at all.

We really just need an option in a different slot for dealing with flyers reliably. Any slot other than HQ would be acceptable, though I would cringe to lose elites to this role.

While I don't disagree with you on any of this, none of it makes me feel particularly good about the state of the game right now, especially since I do not see many options popping up to deal with Flyers until a new codex who knows when, and if the only options we get are more flyers, well...

I like 6th Edition overall, I even like the idea of flyers to be honest. But the execution has been so poor so far that it honestly makes me want to play 40K less and less these days.

[rpricew]

Feb 18, 2013 13:41:58 GMT Jabberwocky said:

If only Fex could take wings....

S9 Vectorstrikes all round!

Now that's an idea for a anti-aircraft Harpy build!!!

[infornography]

Feb 18, 2013 16:24:32 GMT vivi22 said:

Feb 18, 2013 13:20:47 GMT infornography said:

Our flyer IS really good though and can take out a storm raven in two rounds statistically if it doesn't get any saves. Or if we hit it with two dakka flyrants, one round.

The major problem is that it compels us to fill ALL of our HQ slots with it so we don't get cleared off the map by a list that uses a pair of storm ravens that zoom around annihilating our forces until they deposit their units on objectives. And now that twice as many codecies have access to them this motivation will not diminish at all.

We really just need an option in a different slot for dealing with flyers reliably. Any slot other than HQ would be acceptable, though I would cringe to lose elites to this role.

While I don't disagree with you on any of this, none of it makes me feel particularly good about the state of the game right now, especially since I do not see many options popping up to deal with Flyers until a new codex who knows when, and if the only options we get are more flyers, well...

I like 6th Edition overall, I even like the idea of flyers to be honest. But the execution has been so poor so far that it honestly makes me want to play 40K less and less these days.

I totally understand that. The hamfisted rules for flyers are so bad... They would be workable if GW didn't seem to be allergic to providing a decent countermeasure to them but aside from the quad gun and MAYBE 2 other units in the entire game outside of forgeworld, the only decent anti air option is an air option and even most of them only achieve modest results.

Flakk missiles are horribly implemented. WAY over costed for their capabilities.

[seahawk]

Flakk missiles are amazing, and perfectly costed.

I find it funny that IG players are whining over losing Scout as of Saturday, because they actually lost Scout when the new edition FAQs came out, like in Sept or something.

[DukeMantis]

mrmongoose30 you win the internetz today, your post illustrates my feelings perfectly xD