Swarmlord's worst melee enemy

[papacheese]

Gahzgull + Waaagh! = dead Swarmy

[coredump]

Feb 7, 2013 17:56:03 GMT papacheese said:

Gahzgull + Waaagh! = dead Swarmy

I don't see how.
Waaagh doesn't help Gazzy unless it is the one *he* calles. But if he gets his Waaagh, we have to assume SL gets his Preferred Enemy.

SL
4 attacks, 3.111 hits, 3 wounds, .93 unsaved
Gazzy
5 attacks, 2.5 hits, 2.08 wounds, 1.04 unsaved

SL
4 attacks, 3.111 hits, 3 wounds, 2.7 unsaved
Gazzy
5 attacks, 2.5 hits, 2.08 wounds, 1.04 unsaved

So after two rounds, it is pretty likely Gazzy is dead, and it should take 5 rounds to kill SL.
Am I missing something? It doesn't even look close.

Please note: This doesn't take into account any effects from SL's powers (ie no iron arm, warp speed, enfeeble, etc)

[FTGTEvan]

Assuming Ghazghkull gets the charge on his Waaagh and SL gives/gave himself PE, my mathammer breaks it down differently:
SL
4 A, 3.11 hits, 2.4W, .74 Unsaved wounds
Ghaz
7 A, 3.5 hits, 2.91 W, 1.45 unsaved wounds

SL
Same line - .74 wounds
Ghaz
5 A, 2.5 hits, 2.08 W, 1.04 unsaved

Ghaz gets his 2++ for a full turn, owner and opponent's on his Waaagh. That said, SL takes 2.5 wounds in 2 rounds, dealing only 1.5 in return, but then will destroy Ghaz round 3, even without IA, etc, which would change the entire scenario in his favor. That said, it's closer than I expected.

[Psychichobo]

How does Vect fare, out of curiousity? He's rocking some annoying abilities. Preferred Enemy, Initiative awesome, wounds on a 3+ without armour saves, and has a 2+ invul. Granted, he only needs to suffer one hit even without Swarmlord's ID swords, but he should be able to savage him if he survives a turn.

Then again, Swarmy's forced invul re-roll could finish him off...

[coredump]

Feb 7, 2013 21:47:50 GMT FTGTEvan said:

Assuming Ghazghkull gets the charge on his Waaagh

I ignored who got the charge, since there is no way of knowing; neither side has much of an advantage in this. If anything, I think SL has a slight advantage..

Ghaz gets his 2++ for a full turn,

Ah yes. I did miss that. Thanks.

and SL gives/gave himself PE, my mathammer breaks it down differently:

I agree with your numbers, I just think it is more of a toss-up who gets the charge.
And as you note, this is without figuring in any of the SL psy powers.

[FTGTEvan]

coredump; I was more or less going for Ghaz's best possible scenario giving him the charge, and even then, he doesn't make it past the third round I think.

Psychichobo: I don't have Vect's stats with me to work out his attacks, but assuming he doesn't kill Swarmy round 1, which I think is safe, he'll take 0.898 W, so most likely fail 1, which will ID him.

If Vect has 5A he'll get 2.92 hits, 2.27 W and 1.13 unsaved. So he'll get 2 rounds and do 2.27 W to swarmy.

If Vect has 6A (which I don't think he does), 3.5 hits, 2.72W, 1.36 unsaved.

Either way, Swarmy wins, though Vect definitely has some potential.

[Jabberwocky]

Against many CC characters, Swarmy can also toss out smite/life leech/psy shriek to rack up some wounds if he might not make a charge.

[daboss]

Daemon Prince with Murder Sword
5 attacks(6 on charge, 7 with mark of khorne) at WS9 I8 S10 AP1 ID

This is supposing there are no psychic powers in play and going 1-on-1

[snowdaman]

Umm daemon princesof khorne get furious charge now not rage as they don't take marks. That become daemons of instead

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[daboss]

Oh. Still, that is 6 attacks on the charge. Almost as killy

[WestRider]

If Iron Arm isn't in effect, the Murder Sword is a good gamble. If you assume IA is going to be up, tho, I think the Axe of Blind Fury becomes a better bet.

Either way, it's a major gamble, because the DP only has a 5++, and no Eternal Warrior.

Just realized that no one's brought up the BloodThirster (or Skarbrand) yet. WS10, S8 (9 on the Charge) with Unholy Might, and T6, Eternal Warrior, and 4++ on the defensive side.

A regular BloodThirster is more likely to get the Charge (Skarbrand is Fleet, but doesn't have Wings), but Skarbrand has an extra Attack, and it's likely a pretty drawn out fight.

SL's only racking up .75 Wounds per Phase, on average, while Skarbrand's getting 6 Attacks, 4 Hits, 2 Wounds (averaging out Iron Arm), so one actually makes it through per Turn. The SL probably still wins (especially because he's got the edge in Init), but it's by a very slim margin, and if he rolls poorly with IA, it could go downhill very quickly.

Grr, just remembered Skarbrand's re-rolls for everyone within 24". They help Swarmy a bit more than Skarbrand, so that probably tips things in his favour.

Still very much a gamble for Swarmy, tho.