2000 Tyrannic Tyranids List

[megadeth321]

HQ

Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, TL Devourers & BW - 260
Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, PE - 255

FAST ATTACK

20 Gargoyles - 120

ELITES

Doom of Malan'tai w/ Mycetic Spore - 180
2 Zoanthropes w/ Mycetic Spore - 210
2 Hive Guard - 100

TROOPS

Tervigon w/ Catalyst - 175
Tervigon - 160
10 Termagants w/ Devourers, Mycetic Spore - 190
10 Termagants - 50
30 Hormagaunts w/ TS and AG - 300

This is for my game against CSM. Forgive me if it's a little weak, it's 1 AM here in the UK. Anyway, it's based on a swarm of Gargoyles, "Doomgaunts" (Hormagaunts with TL and AG which I like to call them) and Termgants, the majority spawned out of the Tervigons. For anti-vehicles, I have my Hive Guard and Zoanthropes. The Doom of Malan'tai will ideally drop near a smallish group to destroy them. My Tervigons will slowly advance, behind the Hormagunts and Gargoyles whilst spewing out Termgants, increasing the size of the overall swarm. The Devilgants will act as a shock unit to basically secure an objective.

[oneeleven]

I don't have my codex on hand ATM, but I think you need to check the points on your doom, brood of zoeys and devilgaunts. They seem to all be overpriced by 50 points each.

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[megadeth321]

I think you'll find they're correct. I'm not going to lie, but I was looking for advice on my list, not basic maths.

[oneeleven]

While you may not have been looking for "simple maths," but you'll find yours is wrong.

Doom + spore = 130
2 zoanthropes + spore = 160
10 termagants w/devourers + spore = 140

This gives you 150 extra points to work into your list. You have handicapped yourself by not simply double checking your math and you're playing 1850 against your opponents 2k.

For specific advice on the list, it looks solid. I would probably find a way to give your second tervigon catalyst and try to give your second flyrant devourers as well. Also, with 3 units in spores you'd probably be better off taking HC over PE. Maybe even bump up the devilgant squad to 15 from 10. You could do this with the 150 points you have floating around.

I've never used such a large squad of hormagaunts, so let me know how it goes but I think they'll be a unit that will take considerable firepower to take out and, if they don't, then your opponent will have a problem. Again, I like the basic structure of this list; just double check your points and make sure you utilize them all.

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[megadeth321]

Sorry dude, I thought a Mycetic spore cost 90 points from where it says "see page 90 for points cost". Like I said it was 1 AM when I made this, so my maths wasn't really wrong from the perspective of myself thinking it cost 90 points. I've made a real *crow caw* of myself, I can only apologise.

My thinking behind having OA instead of HC was to hopefully keep my reserves at bay until turn 2 or 3 so I could get closer to where I'd want to deploy them so the rest of my army could support them, in both firepower and synapse. And then I could give Preferred Enemy to my Hormagaunts so they get to re roll failed wound rolls of 1, which would be rather useful if I lose 10+ Hormagaunts.

Here's the updated list:

HQ

Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, 2 x TL Devourers & BW, HC - 285
Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, 2 x TL Devourers & BW, OA - 285

FAST ATTACK

20 Gargoyles - 120

ELITES

Doom of Malan'tai w/ Mycetic Spore - 130
2 Zoanthropes w/ Mycetic Spore - 160
2 Hive Guard - 100

TROOPS

Tervigon w/ Catalyst - 175
Tervigon w/ Catalyst - 175
15 Termagants w/ Devourers, Mycetic Spore - 190
10 Termagants - 50
30 Hormagaunts w/ TS and AG - 300

It's at 1970 points now, not really sure what to spend the other 30 on. Maybe 2 more Devilgaunts?

[Deleted]

Nice list, you should use the 35 pouints, as well as consider dropping some other units, to pay for more tervigon psychic powers. Then trade those 2 or 3 powers per tervigon in for Biomancy Rolls. Then you have Tervigons running around with [hopefully] Iron Arm, Enfeemble, and/or Endurance.

[megadeth321]

Thanks, what would you drop if it was your list? I'm considering Old Adversary because the only reason I've got it is to give to my Hormagaunts, but seeing as they're strength 4 instead of 3, they have a better chance of being able to re-roll failed to wound rolls.

[oneeleven]

No worries on the wrong math, we all make mistakes sometimes. The new list looks a lot more streamlined and dangerous.

If you want the 3 powers per tervigon and you are at 1970 (I didn't double check your math this time : you have exactly enough as that will cost you 30 points exactly. Other than that, good luck and I like the list.

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[bebe]

It's a good list. Make those Tervs 205 each - 3 powers and toxin
Make the Gargs 15 w/ toxin adrenal - large enough and way more effective.
Now that's 60 points so lose three dev guants.

[megadeth321]

Good idea about the Tervies. I'm not sure about the Gargoyles, it seems a waste of points for cannon fodder


HQ

Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, 2 x TL Devourers & BW, HC - 285
Hive Tyrant w/ Wings, 2 x TL Devourers & BW, OA - 285

FAST ATTACK

17 Gargoyles w/ TS - 119

ELITES

Doom of Malan'tai w/ Mycetic Spore - 130
2 Zoanthropes w/ Mycetic Spore - 160
2 Hive Guard - 100

TROOPS

Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Onslaught, TS - 200
Tervigon w/ Catalyst, Onslaught, TS - 200
13 Termagants w/ Devourers, Mycetic Spore - 170
10 Termagants - 50
30 Hormagaunts w/ TS and AG - 300

With the Tervigon psychic powers, am I able to only trade Onslaught from both Tervigons with Biomancy but keep Catalyst?

[oneeleven]

No, when you exchange psychic powers it's all or none. You can't choose to keep catalyst but exchange onslaught for example. That's why if you do exchange them, it's a better idea to upgrade to have 3 powers instead of just 1 or 2.

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[megadeth321]

With two Tervigons, would you advise me to trade the powers of both of them or just one?

[oneeleven]

To me, I would always keep at least one tervigon with catalyst because then you're guaranteed at least one source of FnP. If your other psykers get endurance then maybe you'd feel more aggressive and look to swap your tervigon powers. But like I said, I'd always keep at least one guaranteed source of FnP.

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[megadeth321]

I was thinking the same thing. Since I'll be playing against CSM like I said it my OP, are there any changes I could make? I'm slightly worried about the Khorne Berzerkers, but any vehicles I should encounter will be fine to deal with. I'm considering using my Doom hopefully to get some wounds off them and then charge them with the Hormagaunts. He said he'll be using a Chaos Lord but I have no idea what that model is like both in CC and shooting.

[megadeth321]

Anyone? This is a little urgent.