Harpy in February?

[ranmafan]

Ooh. Strafing Run and improved toughness (and maybe a 2nd gun/anti air gun) would make the Harpy plenty nice. I actually like the Harpy rules, but it's just a bit too expensive for what it can do right now.

[rpricew]

Jan 13, 2013 10:12:19 GMT atrocity said:

Jan 13, 2013 10:05:10 GMT andy089 said:

the problem in my opinion is:
the harpy will either stay the same as it is at the moment and no one will field it.
Or they change the rules, it will be totally awesome and it will be a unit everyone will field, similar to the tervigon.
No matter which case - I am not really happy...

I think that'll be the case, I think it'll be really broken. I'm thinking a flying Trygon but with Tyrannofex ranged weaponry, perhaps BS4, which is changed to 5 when shooting at units on the ground.

Or it's made a psyker with "a harpy always has the iron arm psychic power".

@ Andy09 - First of all, way to cover all of your bets (upset if it's terrible, upset if it's great!) LOL

@ atrocity - I can't imagine them giving the Harpy anything more than BS3 AA & BS4 Ground Targets. And I don't think they will ever give them a Rupture Cannon. It could get something more like the Trygon/Trygon Prime's Bio-Electric Pulse/Containment Spines 6-12 shots in the range of Str 5-6, since it's supposed to be a flying Trygon. It would also be cool if the Harpy could be given Synapse/SITW for more mobile Anti Psyker stuff and better weapons like the Trygon Prime.

[guns]

I think one quick fix would be to just give it a new third level of non-blast venom cannon, or a special rule that allows it to fire blasts at other flyers while it's swooping. We need some decent anti-air.

[bigpig]

Jan 13, 2013 20:06:14 GMT guns said:

I think one quick fix would be to just give it a new third level of non-blast venom cannon, or a special rule that allows it to fire blasts at other flyers while it's swooping. We need some decent anti-air.

The best fix would be T6 and a 3+ save. That change alone would make it valid (survivable) Air to Ground platform, which is what it seems to be designed as anyways. If 3+ is too much, then maybe even an automatic 5+ cover

[rpricew]

Jan 13, 2013 22:09:25 GMT bigpig said:

Jan 13, 2013 20:06:14 GMT guns said:

I think one quick fix would be to just give it a new third level of non-blast venom cannon, or a special rule that allows it to fire blasts at other flyers while it's swooping. We need some decent anti-air.

The best fix would be T6 and a 3+ save. That change alone would make it valid (survivable) Air to Ground platform, which is what it seems to be designed as anyways. If 3+ is too much, then maybe even an automatic 5+ cover

Agreed, but funny thing is, I find that when I'm forced to Jink with the Harpy...it's usually the turn right before I'm about to assault with him. Therfore, I don't mind the Jink.

I wouldn't want GW to get off easy by giving him a 5+ cover save. We definitely need to hold out for the 3+ LOL

[henshin1]

I remember when we got our tervigons and tyrannofexes, they had a page each in WD to explain their rules. But it looked like the page was an exact copy of the codex entries. Hopefully its not the same for the harpy.

[andy089]

Jan 13, 2013 14:24:46 GMT rpricew said:

@ Andy09 - First of all, way to cover all of your bets (upset if it's terrible, upset if it's great!) LOL

Well the thing that WOULD work for me is if it would be a one-trick-pony. I.e. give it a gun that can shoot flyers *ahem - unknown biomorph from rulebook ahem*, without changing it too much otherwise. To be honest I think T5 is okay for a FMC, but then again I am not really a player, more of a converter and collector, so my point might very well be invalid...

[fleetofclaw]

I'm just hoping this thing isn't going to be some stupid, massive Tyrgon in the sky for $70+. At t5 and 4 wounds it better be on a 60mm base, then give us a WD profile update with other gun options.

[atrocity]

Jan 14, 2013 7:55:18 GMT fleetofclaw said:

I'm just hoping this thing isn't going to be some stupid, massive Tyrgon in the sky for $70+. At t5 and 4 wounds it better be on a 60mm base, then give us a WD profile update with other gun options.

I can't see it on any other base than Oval. It's a flying Trygon for gods sake.

Containement spikes would be a good guess, and not a very bad choice, if they become more survivable it's neat.

I kinda hope it's exactly like a trygon prime with wings, could cost 250 points as well, I'd still buy it.

[tarrasque]

Jan 14, 2013 7:55:18 GMT fleetofclaw said:

I'm just hoping this thing isn't going to be some stupid, massive Tyrgon in the sky for $70+. At t5 and 4 wounds it better be on a 60mm base, then give us a WD profile update with other gun options.

I wouldn't count on it. Expect a flying stem and a large oval base. It follows the style of current models and gives us something matching the flier theme. Other guns however I would LOVE to see

[yoritomo]

I was going to lock this thread because it is over a year old, then I realized this is a "new" rumor that is exactly like the one we heard last year.

I'll believe this when I see it.

[zephoid]

However, this one follows a bit more closely with some of the model release leaks we have seen.

About 4-5 months ago there was a leaked document that showed all the model releases for the current year. It had a lot of DA stuff and look what we get, a DA codex. Eldar were rumored to get a fighter/bomber mixed kit, that is also in the same rumor as the harpy. As was the voidraven.

now the timeline is always in question, but this is now 2 rumors that both mention this being released in this fiscal year. therefore it is starting to get quite a bit more possible.

Current rules are garbage tho. 3W T5 4+. yeah, it flies, but with nids thats almost a disadvantage since crashing is an auto wound. Replacing cluster spines/stinger salvo with containment spines would be a good start. Also giving a S7 AP4 assault 4 TL main weapon as a replacement for the venom cannon/strangler would be great. It also just needs a 3+ save to deal with quad guns and 4W to deal with crashing. With that it has the stats to be a good 160 point investment. Essentially a flying rifleman dred thats slightly easier to kill and more expensive but much more mobile

[dakkathrope]

or they could just make it immune to grounding tests. That alone would make it more playable.

[atrocity]

Jan 15, 2013 6:54:33 GMT dakkathrope said:

or they could just make it immune to grounding tests. That alone would make it more playable.

Still auto-dies VS a quadgun before it gets to fire a single weapon. Not something I'd pay 170p. If it was 100p it would be ok.

[Jabberwocky]

Just for the record Zephoid, the harpy already has 4 wounds, not 3.

If the new kit is on an oval base, I'll be dropping them from my list.