Which Nid Elite do you use most?

[wisdomseyes1]

Nov 9, 2012 23:40:58 GMT Jabberwocky said:

I use as few as possible. Every other FOC slot is potentially scoring now.

They are also potentially victory points for the opponent.

Whoever said Pyrovore, this is for you

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ANYWEH.

I prefer Hive guard. 6th edition I found somewhat an interest in Ygenes, but they are SOOO fragile and expensive compared to their other elite brethren I have a hard time justifying them without having to.

I can't use Zoanthropes. They worthlessness to me in 5th edition left a bad taste in my mouth. They could possibly be good now, having ability to be a support role, but I ultimately just don't find them more appealing than Tervigons

I don't, however, concern myself with the fact elites can't be scoring. i find that to be an advantage. Why? They can't die and give up points to the opponent. A group of 20 gargoyles rapidfired to death in Scourge gives the opponent a VP.. a group of 3 hive guard being shot to death at any time outside of Purge the alien does nothing for the opponent except the obvious "I killed a threat" which can be argued for any model.

An opponent will be more inclined to shoot down a scoring unit that also has huge impacts on the game (A scoring trygon, for example), especially if that same scoring unit is on an objective. Hive guards on an objective are generally ignored for the purposes of being on objectives. Best they can do is contest, denying 3 victory points. That isn't the same as being ahead 3 and the opponent can look elsewhere for VP (like... killing the aforementioned trygon)

That's just me. I like Hive Guard, Tervigons, Trygons, and mass T6 throughout my list. Mass T3 seems to die a lot, especially at an LGS where T3 is common among the players. T6 just fits better with my list, is all. T4, you can feel how many wounds it takes. And that is just "take a risk, take a risk, take a risk" to me, one i don't like.

Especially for a unit I invest 150+ points in (Hive guard/zoeys/ygenes all cost that) I can't afford it to die easily before its job is done... one of its jobs is to be a threat and take fire.

Everything in my list has to be a threat to the opponent. if it isn't then I am not playing the list right, i feel.

[Jabberwocky]

Being scoring also opens up skyfire nexus, improved cover, halved charges, etc potentially.

Being worth VP is a negative but when there are 6 objectives in the scouring for example, I like to have a few more highly mobile scorers.

Big guns doesn't worry me so much so I don't take heavy support often.

Troops are really where our strength lies, which I don't cram full of 10 man gant squads.

[Psychichobo]

Ymgarls. Seriously, sometimes you just NEED to get a unit off the board.

Plus, T5 when charging not only mitigates striking at I1 with terrain, but also overwatch. Mwuhaha.

[wisdomseyes1]

Nov 11, 2012 20:29:28 GMT Jabberwocky said:

Being scoring also opens up skyfire nexus, improved cover, halved charges, etc potentially.

Being worth VP is a negative but when there are 6 objectives in the scouring for example, I like to have a few more highly mobile scorers.

Big guns doesn't worry me so much so I don't take heavy support often.

Troops are really where our strength lies, which I don't cram full of 10 man gant squads.

So you don't take Heavy support or Elites...

You and I, good sir, are polar opposites in playstyle

[pom611]

I normally use, hive guard lately iv been taking venomthropes as well there useful if you can keep them alive.

[GuardDog78]

Usually 2-3 HG and 2-3 zoeys in a spore...love both the T6 can openers and the 3++ tank poppers...
Recently played my friends SoB/IG army...had 3 zoeys in a pod...kept codex powers on 2 answer traded the thirds for BRB...rolled haemorage on Bio (meh) so i took psychic shriek primaris for my second...worked great having 2 tank poppers and some reliable non-blast anti-infantry running around his backfield.

[fleetofclaw]

Zoanthropes all the way. We're kings of the psychic heap right now, and zoeys are a big part of what puts us there. Need to throw down telekine dome? Enfeeble some paladins in to oblivion? Help our killy stuff survive? Zthropes are your boys.

[glassiya]

Pyros only, hardcore only!

[rpricew]

Nov 17, 2012 11:59:54 GMT glassiya said:

Pyros only, hardcore only!

hmmm.... not sure if we're being trolled here

[wisdomseyes1]

Nov 17, 2012 17:36:46 GMT rpricew said:

Nov 17, 2012 11:59:54 GMT glassiya said:

Pyros only, hardcore only!

hmmm.... not sure if we're being trolled here

whatever do you mean.

Playing Pyrovore/ chaos spawn heavy lists is like playing 40k on hard mode.

[glassiya]

Nov 18, 2012 0:08:14 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Playing Pyrovore/ chaos spawn heavy lists is like playing 40k on hard mode.

At least someone understands.

Really, it hurts to see all our Elite choices (A LOT of them) unused, cause everyone pick HGs, Zoans or DL.
That's just sad.

[mhqvick]

I have fallen i love with the ymgarl, they work like an distraction, for my other units to enter combat. In 6th i have used them even more because genestealers no longer can assault, the turn they infiltrate. I always give my hivetyrant the "hive commander" rule, so i am ensured a early arrival.

My second elite choice are Zoan, a group of 2. I think they are the best heavy anti tank we got (:

[thatnidguy]

They do make great tarpits ! Pod in blast tanks or buildings then next turn soak the over watch . Same with dom , they always stop shooting everything just to kill them . I run 6 and a Dom . Sometimes I do run 9 zoans just for puppet master or dex powers . I also don't always pod them in . I run them sometimes to again soak up fire . Lately they have been my front liners it has worked wonders .

[infornography]

I ALWAYS have a 8 to 10 man Ymgarl brood.

Then once I have picked out everything else I feel is mandatory I use Elites to fill out the last bit. Usually 2 to 3 zoanthropes, hive guard, or a doom in a pod. Most often zoanthropes though because of their versatility. The fact that I can trade out their powers if the enemy doesn't have any heavy tanks or I can keep them if they are sporting land raiders, battle wagons, or monoliths. Being able to use them as buffing/debuffing units is extremely useful. It drops their threat profile notably so they are less of a target but they still help the army immensely.

[biorivera]

this falls in the realm of personal problems:

doom: i avoid using too often, makes me feel dirty. something this good for 90 pts is okay in some of your lists, but if you make it a staple part of your list....are you actually good at the game? (arguably yes, but i feel I have something to prove to myself)

Zoans: 99.9999999999% of the time I take these guys, they miss every single shot in catastrophic fashion. i take a squad of these guys often enough just cause they're hard enough to kill and opponents divert fire at them...but fo realz zoanthropes. Disappointed in you.

Ymargls: excellent unit. I always TRY to take a unit of these but elite tends to take anti-tank priority for me since we don't really excel at that. Also the assault nerf hit these guys hard between editions.

Hive guard: a favorite for many. I like them, but don't have the poll suggestive web-stiffie most people have for them. They're solid, almost always do something, are reliable, and you can keep them out of harm's way. This is a hard choice to criticize, because its safe and above decent. If they had 30-32" range i'd be as die hard loving them as everyone else, but for their cost they're undeniably good.

venomthrope- oh my god i wish this wasn't an elite slot. the cover save bonus is excellent, but they also nerfed the balls off this guy in the most recent errata. Add in the competetiveness of this slot and it's hard justifying them in most any list. I'll use these, but only if I feel like my list can stand alone without their presence.

pyrovore: in my head the latino soccer/futbol announcers for the world cup are going LOLLLLLLLLLL(instead of goallllll).

deathleaper/lictor- situational choices, good in lists with certain purposes. uber DS lists can make high use of the special rules, i just always pictured the lictors/DL having more bite for what you pay. Sure the special rules are great, but this guy is a master assassin....I don't mind the fact he dies as easy as he does but shouldn't he be able to reliable kill things(power weaps)? Just my two cents

I find myself running USUALLY, a squad of zoans*, a squad of hive guard*, and EITHER a DoM pod or Ymargl brood. (items marked with * are almost always in list, like well over 90% of games).