Zoanthrope or Tervigon ?

[thatnidguy]

Heres my question: As being used for support ,which can be better with psychic disciplines.

the Tervigon is good to be able to have up to 3 powers and is a MC. so T6 spawns troops .

I see a brood of zoanthropes good as well, being able to have up to 6 different powers and a 3++ save. one draw back i noticed is you can use powers the turn the come in from a spore =(

I havent put tons of thought into this. I have started playing around with pykers more, and wondering if i should use them as support rather then offense. and they are almost the same about of points with out a pod.

Could they last foot slogging it behind Hormaguants? yes there will be gargoyles for my front lines.

Just looking for imput or maybe hoping to spark something new. Been reading a lot about different "STARS" and that made me look at my HQ different.

[coredump]

First, Zoans can use Witchfire if they Spore in, but not Mal and Bless.


ZvT.... it depends. As you say, Zoans with BRB powers are good support. But that means you list needs things to support.
Tervs can support themselves a bit, and can be supported.

In a vacuum, I would prefer the Terv.... but you may have enough other broods (like with a warrior heavy army for example.) so Zoans would be a better choice.

[thatnidguy]

So zoans can only use witchfire powers ? Can they use the dex powers if threy spore in , or does that count for BRB rules ?

As far as units to support , I'm talking about troops . Hormagunts and or gargolyes for the front liners . To me that is what's needed in our armies . Just enough help to get us there .

[fragile]

Both can get the BRB powers. You just need to look at the cost and compare for your needs.

A Terv gets you 3 powers but level 1 mastery, 6 wounds, 6T, and other options. Basic cost for the psyker stuff is 190.

A Zoa is 4T, 2W, with 3+ Invuln save. It has 2 powers and level 1 mastery for 60pts. So you can get about 3 for the cost of 1 Terv.

[thatnidguy]

Your right , although you lose your elite slots for the psychic powers . Offense and support powers . Do you think they could become less of a target ? Or become more of a target ? You do get more models , like you said you lose out on a MC at T6 .

I guess them real question is mainly troop support . Hormaguants for troops . Running basic pts , they can kill but not made to or use to tie up hq's and objectives .

Also like coredump said running with warriors might not be a bad idea . I know facing different armies will have different list choices .

[Psychichobo]

Well, a Tervigon provides a lot of assets to an army, so you have to consider what they could bring and use in your list. They are related to playstyle so you need to consider what kinds of powers you want to be using - many people enjoy buffing her and providing CC support as well as buffing accompanying Gaunt broods.

Zoanthropes can be fitted in rather easily into many lists if podded - though that is mainly for providing offensive prowess, and psychic shriek is often popular. It's the elite slot vacancy that's the hard part to come to a decision about.

[Jabberwocky]

If I were to run Zoans again, I'd go 3 in a brood in a spore.

Roll biomancy. If you get a blessing/mal, then roll TP and take the primaris. If you get a biomancy witchfire, roll bio again hoping for a blessing/mal.

This means you will definitely have usable powers the turn you arrive onwards and hopefully also some good support powers for later.

[paxmiles]

Oct 19, 2012 18:04:32 GMT thatnidguy said:

So zoans can only use witchfire powers ? Can they use the dex powers if threy spore in , or does that count for BRB rules ?

As far as units to support , I'm talking about troops . Hormagunts and or gargolyes for the front liners . To me that is what's needed in our armies . Just enough help to get us there .

The BRB FAQ says you can't use powers that must be done at the start if the turn, if arriving from reserve. So blessings and maladictions (and other start of the turn) powers cannot be attempted if your not on the table at the start of the turn.

So most witchfire, beams, novas or maelstorms, will be useable if you arrive from reserves (reserves includes normal reserves, as well as DS, outflank, and really any other, alternate means of arriving after the game starts).

Although this is a bummer for bugs, it also works against the enemy should they have drop pods, flyer transports, DS and many of their other sneaky ways of arriving late.

As a Marine player, this means that I can't DS in a unit of libby and sternguard via a pod and then use divination to re-roll all hits or ignore cover with my hellfire/combi-plasma.
-Pax

[thatnidguy]

@ psychichobo - I agree , play style will play a major part in how to decide on what units you want to go with. It is sad that zoanthropes don't really provide any help when it comes to CC , and that's where I can see a tervigon can be better . A big down side I see with zoanthropes is , they can use powers right out of a pod . So what does witchfire have over let's say bio or dex powers ?

Would a pod be something that would have to be used ? Or would running be a waste ? Because of not being able to use powers ?

[fragile]

Oct 20, 2012 0:08:35 GMT thatnidguy said:

@ psychichobo - I agree , play style will play a major part in how to decide on what units you want to go with. It is sad that zoanthropes don't really provide any help when it comes to CC , and that's where I can see a tervigon can be better . A big down side I see with zoanthropes is , they can use powers right out of a pod . So what does witchfire have over let's say bio or dex powers ?

Would a pod be something that would have to be used ? Or would running be a waste ? Because of not being able to use powers ?

Your confusing Witchfire as a separate power. Biomancy has witchfire powers in it.. Smite, Life Leech, as does Telekinesis and Telepathy. The difference is that witchfires are done in the shooting phase, while Maledictions and Blessings are done at the start of the movement phase.

[thatnidguy]

I see , re-reading BRB again. I honestly have never used the other powers before . So that being said I don't know how to even apply the powers .

So let's say I have a zoanthrope I want to have pyro . So I pick it and then roll a dice to see what I get ? Then have a chance to re-roll for a different power ? That's what I understand from reading . Also does a sub-power such as a nova , can that be fired after pod ?

I'm just trying to fully understand, I see a few more doors opening from these powers

[coredump]

Well, you can't have Pyro... only Bio, Telek, Telep.

You check to see how many powers you get. (Zoan 2, Doom 1, Terv 1-3, etc.)
Then you pick one of the three allowable disciplines, and roll a die.

If the model is mastery 1 (all but SLord) and you get a Warp charge 2 power, you reroll.
If you get a power that you already have, you reroll.
Whatever power you get, you can 'trade' it, for the Primaris power of that discipline; but you have to decide now, you can't wait and roll the rest of the powers first.

You repeat the above for however many rolls you get. Yes you can pick a different discipline each time, or the same, or whatever...

[thatnidguy]

Seems simple enough . Although you would have to have a few different tactics for the random powers. I doesn't seem to bad .

Thanks everyone for the imput .

I really want to here what everyone else thinks that read the post .

[gigasnail]

correct answer? use both. buy powers in reaction to your opponent's list.

[thatnidguy]

I like that answer , I'm trying to stay away from termaguants. Though I guess I could us them in a pod as a shock troop .