Screamer Killer Carnifexes?

[blindmage]

Hey all!

I've finally decided to beef up the ripper horde (not counting getting many Malanthropes) by getting some fexes.

I really like the idea behind keeping them as basic as I can. I'm thinking, just Regeneration, Toxin Sacs for upgrades. and take a full brood of 3.

They'd be the hard center of the swarm, probably with the Malanthropes near by the get them Preferred Enemy as the game progresses as well as some Rippers for cover and well...because they Rock!!

Anyways. I was wondering about the Hive's take on Screamer Killers, Regen and TS.

Thanks for the help

[halvar]

why aim for prefered enemy if you take toxin sacs? you still get reroll to hit everything with dual scything talons and reroll to wound anything with T<9, which is pretty much everything. prefered enemy doesn't work on penetration rolls iirc.
imo, they seem a bit expensive with regen and toxin sacs, especially the TS. in fifth I ran 3 vanilla fexen and they were a hassle to move around (having to stay in close proximity to the tervigon to get FnP and still not having a inv save so always sticking to horrifyingly slow cover). it was fun, but then again, I don't go to tourneys to win.

[glassiya]

Now the can abuse wound distribution rule, by swapping wouonded carni to the back. Still, they're right - Preferred won't give you any rerolls at all.

P.S. Screamer-Killer means Bioplasma.

[Talonis]

Replace TS with AG to get S10 on the charge. Kills T5 instant death, auto wrecks almost any stationary vehicle you charge and keeps points low.

For 195 points you can get the proper screamer killer with bio plasma, adrenal glands and added frag spines to assault into cove with out striking last (and swing at init 3)

Bio plasma is not too bad either, great at softening up tougher units like terminators so not too many can swing back. Can wreck some vehicles too and being ap2 gains +1 on the pen roll.

[rpricew]

Keep toxin sacs because you can smash for strength ten if you need. Dual Scything Talons allows for rerolls, and smash allows for rerolls to armor pen, where toxin allows rerolls to wound. Still 195 for true Screamer killer with frag, toxin and bio plasma.

Of course, you could lose the bio plasma and just run them every turn since they are so slow. Taking time to shoot a small blast 12" isn't going to do much usually, but slow you down. Now we are talking about 175 point Carnifex wrecking machines.

[Deleted]

CC vanilla fexen are very poor for the points but I'm guessing someone fielding an army of Rippers isn't too worried In all honesty I would field 3 Stonecrushers. You can spread them throughout your army for better saturation, they're tougher with 2+, better regen, more attacks and they cost the same. Sure, 3 vanillas in a brood can juggle wounds but they'll get wounded much more often and can only be in one spot.

Past that, if I were fielding a crapton of Rippers, I'd be eyeing Trygon Primes. Run a pair, each on either of your flanks with your HQ in the middle to ensure plenty of synapse so your Rippers don't eat themselves. 2 Trygons will most likely draw more fire than 3 Fexen would anyhow, you'll spend a bit less, get the same wounds, some dakka and synapse.

[Anggul]

Don't bother with Toxin. You're never going to need to re-roll to wound. At least Adrenal lets you use all of your attacks and still be strength 10. I would probably just go basic 160pts though, maybe with Frag for assaulting Terminators and Plague Marines in cover.

Actually, I would just take a Trygon.

[rpricew]

Why would u never need to reroll?

Maybe its just my (please do not swear) dice, but my Trygon & Fex almost always seem to throw a couple of 1s on the wound roll the first go around. Without toxin, I would be killing 2-3 instead of 4-5 on the charge.

It makes the difference when ur leadership 7-8 and the power fist strikes back.

If I only cause 2 wounds with Fex and he causes three with his unit, since we are no longer fearless out of Synapse... Both the Fex and Trygon can get swept. EDITED **Carnifex and Trygon are Fearless per the Tyranid Codex

Those re-rolls are critical...

[blindmage]

Thanks for all the replies!

I've really been debating about what kinda combat fexen I wanna run. I'm basing it all around the fluff for my list:

Sliver fleet Disorder

Disorder is the remains of a splinter fleet that had almost finished consuming a world when it was hit with an Exterminatus. As noted on the world of Tethris and Araidne V, some things can survive by burrowing, namely Carnifex's, due to their massive resilience, and Rippers, due to their sheer number, some survive.

Disorder is a shattered barley coherent mass of flesh, directed, not necessarily controlled, by their new found leader, the Parasite and the few surviving Malanthropes. The swarms of massively enhanced Rippers, both crawling and winged horde forward unloading torrents of fire as a new threat rears its head. A new form of Ripper, larger and far more potent in combat, this new threat seems to be this fleet's version of the Hormagaunt, luckily this form has been quite a rare sight on the battlefield.

The few remaining Carnifexes have slowly begun to regenerate the massive injuries suffered in the bombardment and are rampaging the desolate world, slamming into the combats they encounter, having evolved to survive the harsh conditions that exist in a post Exterminatus world, their reinforced carapaces aid their survival as they belch bioplasma at their foes while their scything talons rip apart the enemy.

...huh...I guess they will have Bioplasma... I've always had a love/hate relationship with fexen. They're so amazing in fluff and models, but the new 'dex really took away their awesome touches, the fear that you saw in your opponent as he panicked to destroy it in time...

I haven't read my own little fluff blurb in a while I was sure Disorder was more of an end stage army, rather than a burrowing one...I think I'll haver to do some rewriting...take it back to the days of being held together by a few Malanthropes, even though I LOVE the Parasite for his ripper making abilities...granted 2 full units of 3 Malanthropes would be simply amazing and awesome....

[Deleted]

Rpricew, Carnifexen and Trygons are both Fearless units, they will never fail morale at the end of an assault phase and thus cannot be swept unless hit with Terrify.

[Talonis]

Maybe you could use Old One Eye?
His background would kind of fit in, can take some control over the rippers if needed and has a bit of character? Failing that, use OOE as a Stone crusher fex if you want some more survivability (that is so wrong, OOE should be more survivable).

[rpricew]

Oct 13, 2012 6:38:24 GMT @60mm said:

Rpricew, Carnifexen and Trygons are both Fearless units, they will never fail morale at the end of an assault phase and thus cannot be swept unless hit with Terrify.

I don't have the rule book with me atm, but monstrous creatures were fearless in 5th, but they're not in 6th. I don't remember the codex saying fearless in their entry.

It was MC status that gave them fearless iirc...

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[Deleted]

The only MCs not given fearless by the codex are Tervigons, Tyrants and SL. Jeez, SL isn't fearless? /facepalm Really GW?

Harpies are fearless though o.O

[blindmage]

fearless is a crazy thing in this edition, I can't go to ground anymore.

[Deleted]

Which is funny because Rippers are already crawling on the bellies, on the ground haha.