Emperor's Children with Daemons

[riverzora]

RIGHT.

So seeing as I got Dark vengeance, I figured I'd make an opposing force to my 'nids which are currently in progress. Always loved Slaanesh, so figured an EC army was where it was at. Just wondering how to go about it. I don't have the Chaos codices yet, so understand if for copyright reasons we need to be candid, but I'll let you know what I'm thinking of at the moment.

Leading with Demon Prince with wings and whips, alongside maybe Bile or Lucius for HQs.

Having some Noise Marines in there somewhere. Terminators, Obliterators.

A Helbrute (because I have the model).

Chosen

Having an alliance with daemons including a Keeper of Secrets and some Daemonettes.

Any pearls of wisdom before I embark on this journey (other than buy the flipping codex )?

[ZergLord]

You need a Chaos Lord or Lucius to unlock Noise Marines as troops, so one of them is a must-have.

Personally I don't like Lucius or Bile. They aren't horrible but they aren't impressive either.

As your second HQ I reccomend a Slaanesh Sorceror, Level 3, with Spell Familiar. There's no reason why you shouldn't have a Sorc in a Chaos army unless you have World Eaters or something like that. And Slaanesh Sorc can have evil powers.

If I had to make an Emperor's children army, it would be a gunline army. Noise Marines can come with Sonic weapons which have a good range and ignore cover. You can make cheaper assault oriented Noise Marines, but personally I think guns are a better option.

Depending on how much you fight against Flyers, you might need Havocs with Flak Missile Launchers.

Obliterators with Mark of Slaanesh are lolz. Just read their entry and you'll see what I mean.

Can't commentate on daemons since I have little to no experience with them.

That's it for now until you read the books and post a list...

[riverzora]

Can you have a sorceror Lord?

[ZergLord]

There's no such thing as Sorcerer Lord anymore. There's a Lord and there's a Sorcerer.

[riverzora]

That's a shame... I haven't played somce 3rd...

[rainthezangoose]

Personal this is a good time to start slannesh, PERSONALLY i wouldnt recommend Daemons, they suck... all of them. however slannesh is very powerful, Noise marines have gone from the worst unit in the game to being actually really powerful. and there is just something so beautiful about I5 and rerolls vs marines, means your powersword wield champs are going to win more challanges, and thus more boon rolls! (yey)

Lash don't exit no more (sadness) BUT if i was u and i was running daemon allys id just run a real daemon prince ... you know the one with eternal warrior....

unfortunately for the new book that's all i can share with you ;P other then am a massive Lucius mehself

[jahatch42878]

So, as much as they are right, you need a Lord or special character to unlock noise marines as troops, I really like the Daemon Princes of Slaanesh.. they get rending, bonus 3" on runs, hatred of khorne (fluffy wise it's good), and since my most slaanesh-like daemon prince has an epic tyranid-biotitans lower body so 6 legs and claws, that bonus 3" actually works nicely (no wings on my guy, but still)... the only problem is that after adding wings, probably want Power armor b/c your 5+ daemonic save just isn't enough, and then adding psyker mastery levels you are going to have one expensive large target... and that is before any artifacts or other upgrades..

however, if you take the daemon prince with 1-3 mastery levels then you won't necessarily need the sorcerer... and can still of course take the chaos lord or character...

Anyone think its odd that Obliterators haven't figured out how to morph into Flakk wielding gun form?

Also, the marks and icons now give Slaanesh troops Feel no Pain which is more appropriate than for them IMHO even though that means they are taking it from Nurgle... but really, who needs T5 and Feel no Pain... lol...

Josh

[riverzora]

Right, taken the plunge. Reading the codex- anyone got any advice on the best Artefact in their opinion and why?

[ZergLord]

Murder Sword - Useless. It's super effective against the designated target, but against anything else it's a horribly overpriced Power Sword.
Dimensional Key - Half useless. The chances are that all of your reserves will arrive before you unlock the key's power. On the other hand it makes a 12" aura of difficult and dangerous terrain, so it's not that bad.
Scrolls of Magnus - Dangerous. Only available to Tzeentch. Not sure how much it's useful, but you're gambling with power. Only use if you desperately want extra spells.
The Burning Brand - Very good. Wanna shooty lord? Then the Brand is just the thing you need.

Daemon weapons will make your Lord a combat monster, but bear in mind that there's always a chance that the weapon will literally bite you in the ass. There are two of them:

Axe of Blind fury - Very good. Only available to Khorne. If you have a Khorne Lord then there's very little reason not to take this. Great for challenges.
Black Mace - Very good. It's only AP4 but thanks to Fleshbane it fights 2+ saves by forcing a lot of saving throws. It absolutely murders anything with 4+ or less. Also, it's area of effect power is very nice.

[riverzora]

Right, so here is my list at the moment. I don't aim it to be competitive, simply fun, full of flavour and fluff. 2000pts on the head, one FOC with Allies. (Allies in italics rather than separate, again, for fluff). Only issue is I don't know if I want a shooty or CC Lord... Heading towards shooty, but then for fluff I also want him on a steed, and it seems that suits a close combat more... And for fluff I want him in a unit with the fiends...I may magnetise! (smallest magnetised model ever) Also I tried to get unit sizes of six everywhere I could due to Slaanesh fluff... But may combine two of the NMs into a 12 to get a Blast Master... Advice for that one!

HQ:
Chaos Lord of Slaanesh (Steed of Slaanesh; Burning Brand/Pair of Lightning Claws)
Chaos Sorceror of Slaanesh (Mastery 3)
Keeper of Secrets

Troops:
Noise Marinesx6 (6Sonic Blasters; Icon of Excess CHAMP: Melta Bombs; Pair Power Sword)
Noise Marinesx6 (6Sonic Blasters; Icon of Excess CHAMP: Melta Bombs; Pair Lightning Claw)
Noise Marinesx6 (6Sonic Blasters; Icon of Excess; CHAMP: Melta Bombs; Doom Siren; Power Axe)
Daemonettesx10 (Tranfixing Gaze)

Elites:
Helbrute
Fiends of Slaaneshx5

Fast Attack:
Heldrake (Baleflamer)

Heavy Support:
Obliteratorsx3 (Mark of Slaanesh)
SoulGrinder (Phlegm)

[ZergLord]

You can't deploy lord with the fiends because fiends must deepstrike, and your lord can't do that.

Sorc REALLY needs Spell familiar. Re-rolls on Psychic tests are extremely important.

If you're going to run a lord with minimal upgrades like that, keep him shooty. In his current state he sucks as a combat character.

You don't need a pair of Power Swords to have an extra attack. So discard one Power sword from one of the NM champions and you have enough points to buy a spell familiar for the Sorc.

I'm not sure why you'd give a Power axe to a NM champion. Its I5 is wasted because the Axe is unwieldy.

Blastmaster is a very expensive weapon which you can only get if you have 10 or more Noise Marines - an expensive unit. I reccomend that you play a couple of games without it and see for yourself if you need it.

[riverzora]

Right, how about this? Gives me a bit more variety, and also 5pts to spare somewhere. Any suggestions? Thunder Hammer on Helbrute? Combi bolter on Rhino? Transfixing Gaze on KoS? Keep the suggestions coming!

HQ:
Chaos Lord of Slaanesh (Steed of Slaanesh; Burning Brand)
Chaos Sorceror of Slaanesh (Mastery 3; Spell Familiar)
Keeper of Secrets

Troops:
Noise Marinesx6 (6Sonic Blasters; Icon of Excess CHAMP: Melta Bombs; Doom Siren; Power Sword)
Noise Marinesx6 (6Sonic Blasters; Icon of Excess CHAMP: Melta Bombs; Doom Siren; Power Sword)
Noise Marinesx6 (6Sonic Blasters; Icon of Excess; CHAMP: Melta Bombs; Doom Siren; Power Sword)
Daemonettesx10 (Transfixing Gaze)
Rhino (Havoc Launcher; Dirge Caster)

Elites:
Helbrute 100
Fiends of Slaaneshx3

Fast Attack:
Heldrake (Baleflamer)

Heavy Support:
Obliteratorsx3 (Mark of Slaanesh)
SoulGrinder (Phlegm)

[ZergLord]

It's better.

Spend those 5 points on whatever you want. I would probably spend it on the KoS.

[riverzora]

Right-for the sake of the stats and the fact I have to buy one with Sonic Weapons, I want a Blastmaster. As such, I have combined two noise units into one 12-strong. The points saved by only having to equip one champion (as well as RAW-ing the noise champs) renders the following predicament: I now have 59 points to do something with.

For flavour's sake, I want to make the Daemonettes a multiple of six or three, meaning I can either boost to 12 giving me 31 points, or reduce to nine giving me 73, or reduce to six giving me 115.

Any suggestions on what I would do with the points? Anything I am missing that I could use either 31, 59, 73 or 115 points for? Fire help away.

[Lanesend]

For 115 points you can get 5 Havocs with 4 autocannons. You can name them Doppler cannons or Feedbackhowlers.
(just to give it a noisy feel)

PS> I noticed that, while you will stil hurt yourself if you roll a one for the daemonweapon, you can still make your attacks. (which is a lot better than in the last CSM codex)