are mycetic spores denial units?

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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 24, 2012 21:25:14 GMT

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Post by brianb9999 on Sept 24, 2012 21:25:14 GMT

I feel like I have seen mycetic spores referenced as denial units somewhere (most likely on these boards). However, I don't see anything in the FAQ addressing this, and the only bit I see in the codex is where it states that mycetic spores are never scoring units? Am I misremembering, or can someone show me where the rule is, as I seem to be taking at least 2 spores a game now.

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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 24, 2012 23:06:01 GMT

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Post by WestRider on Sept 24, 2012 23:06:01 GMT

Let's go down the list:
- Are they Vehicles? No.
- Are they Swarms? No.
- Do they have a special Rule saying that they never count as a Denial Unit? No.

Since they can't Fall Back, and that's the last restriction, it looks like they're Denial Units.

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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 24, 2012 23:16:49 GMT

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Post by wisdomseyes1 on Sept 24, 2012 23:16:49 GMT

Scoring units and denial units are not the same thing.

EVERYTHING is a denial unit (with the exceptions WestRider mentioned)

TROOPS are scoring units (with the exceptions WestRider listed)

They are denial units because they are monstrous creatures that arent swarms.

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rpricew Hive Tyrant Posts: 2,546	are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 25, 2012 1:47:05 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by rpricew on Sept 25, 2012 1:47:05 GMT so the scruples question of the day is... If you're opponent doesn't know that they are denial unit, for whatever reason... do you point it out when they land in their deployment zone giving you Line Breaker?
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fragile Hive Tyrant Posts: 825	are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 25, 2012 2:10:58 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by fragile on Sept 25, 2012 2:10:58 GMT Friendly game, sure Tourney game, no

ravengoescaw Tyranid Warrior Posts: 174	are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 25, 2012 3:05:52 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ravengoescaw on Sept 25, 2012 3:05:52 GMT No you do it anyways, loseing well is better then winning WAAC.
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1b2a Hive Tyrant Posts: 752	are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 25, 2012 3:59:25 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by 1b2a on Sept 25, 2012 3:59:25 GMT Aren't tournaments always WAAC? (that is unless your army is actually still coming together and can't be synergized well and chances of winning are null)

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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 25, 2012 4:50:54 GMT

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Post by wisdomseyes1 on Sept 25, 2012 4:50:54 GMT

I am fairly sure in a tournament the other person is expected to know the rules.

The other person knows full and well its not a vehicle and its not a swarm (unless your modeling suggests it) If they ask if its a denial unit then of course you tell them... if they don't i dont see why I would. fresh memories of 5th edition should still make them assume it is anyway

"hey, just going to point out my termagants will be in range of that objective next turn unless you deal with them... and its turn 4.. you might want to get on that" is NOT something you say in a tournament... i dont care how friendly you are.

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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 25, 2012 7:22:13 GMT

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Post by commandersasha on Sept 25, 2012 7:22:13 GMT

There's a difference between WAAC and not helping your opponent! In a very friendly against a new player I would point it out at deployment, but in any other game I would not. It's an obvious tactic, so if they didn't realise that it's at least POSSIBLY a denial unit, they are fools to ignore it, or at least enquire.
Of course, in ANY game, if they then asked me IF it was a valid denial unit, I would immediately confirm it. Rules should always be discussed openly, tactics after you have won!

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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 26, 2012 22:56:32 GMT

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Post by Psychichobo on Sept 26, 2012 22:56:32 GMT

Hang on. I've not got the book near me, but if I recall the book DOESN'T say they're 'not scoring units', it says something along the lines of 'Are ignored for the purposes of game objectives' or something to that degree.

I could be wrong or misremembering, but if so then they wouldn't be able to deny.

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ravengoescaw Tyranid Warrior Posts: 174	are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 26, 2012 23:25:57 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ravengoescaw on Sept 26, 2012 23:25:57 GMT I just read the mycetic codex entry and did not see anything close to this.
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are mycetic spores denial units? Sept 26, 2012 23:27:33 GMT

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Post by wisdomseyes1 on Sept 26, 2012 23:27:33 GMT

Sept 26, 2012 22:56:32 GMT Psychichobo said:

Hang on. I've not got the book near me, but if I recall the book DOESN'T say they're 'not scoring units', it says something along the lines of 'Are ignored for the purposes of game objectives' or something to that degree.

I could be wrong or misremembering, but if so then they wouldn't be able to deny.

That is spore mines.

"All I am after is a life full of laughter"

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When you look at ordinary, when you look at normal, you never give it a second thought. Never more than a passing glance.

Who would ever want to be normal? Invisible. Another drop of rain.

are mycetic spores denial units?

Post by brianb9999 on Sept 24, 2012 21:25:14 GMT

Post by WestRider on Sept 24, 2012 23:06:01 GMT

Post by wisdomseyes1 on Sept 24, 2012 23:16:49 GMT

Post by brianb9999 on Sept 24, 2012 23:29:29 GMT

Post by rpricew on Sept 25, 2012 1:47:05 GMT

Post by fragile on Sept 25, 2012 2:10:58 GMT

Post by ravengoescaw on Sept 25, 2012 3:05:52 GMT

Post by 1b2a on Sept 25, 2012 3:59:25 GMT

Post by coredump on Sept 25, 2012 4:41:22 GMT

Post by wisdomseyes1 on Sept 25, 2012 4:50:54 GMT

Post by commandersasha on Sept 25, 2012 7:22:13 GMT

Post by Psychichobo on Sept 26, 2012 22:56:32 GMT

Post by ravengoescaw on Sept 26, 2012 23:25:57 GMT

Post by WestRider on Sept 26, 2012 23:27:11 GMT

Post by wisdomseyes1 on Sept 26, 2012 23:27:33 GMT