Hard to let poor sportsmanship go

[scrotatohead]

So the matches tonight were 1500 points. I brought an experimental list that I knew was a real winner. I just wanted to try a few tactics

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Lash Whip And Bonesword, Twin-Linked Deathspitter, Armoured Shell, Paroxysm, Leech Essence, Old Adversary = 250 pts.

== Elites ==
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.
Zoanthrope Brood (160 pts.)
Zoanthrope (2) = 120 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.
Hive Guard Brood (2) = 100 pts.

== Troops ==
Tervigon (1) - Scything Talons, Cluster Spines, AG, Toxic Miasma, Cat, Onslaught, Taken As Troops = 220 pts.
Termagant Brood (13) - Fleshborer = 65 pts.
Termagant Brood (190 pts.)
Termagant (15) - Devourer = 150 pts.
Mycetic Spore (1) = 40 pts.

== Fast Attack ==
Gargoyle Brood (15) - AG = 105 pts.
Spore Mine Brood (3) = 30 pts.
Spore Mine Brood (3) = 30 pts.

== Heavy Support ==
Tyrannofex (1) - Acid Spray, Stinger Salvo, Thorax Swarm - Electroshock Grubs = 250 pts.

== Total ==
1500 pts.

My opponent ended up being an IG player that everyone would agree is hard to play against.

First frustrating move on his part: He showed up without a list and so builds an army against 'Nids. We're talking two Executioners platooned with plasma gun side sponsons and las cannons, two standard Russes platooned, Five vet squads, Lord Commissar, and Primaris Psycher. Can't camp against that army and can't expect to be in one piece marching towards it camped against the back board edge.

I'm okay going up against any list, but not happy knowing its built to beat me.

Second frustrating event: Big Guns Never Tire. Yup, worst possible option.

Third Frustrating event: Mysterious Terrain, all killy for the models in it. Messes with deployment and since it was all in the mid field and I was the one that had to be attacking through it it was a problem for me, not him.

fourth Frustration: My opponent never rolled any "Gets Hot" for his Executer side sponson weapons or for his vets. I know the Executioner cannon is immune, but the others are not.

I basically got I strongly disagree handed to me as his Executioners took down my Tyrannofex first, then my Tyrant. With my gargoyles whittled to nothing I called it at that point as I was still at least another turn of movemeht away from any real close combat. He had First Blood and Warlord kill. My zoans came in by a Vet Unit and based on my game-long horrible rolls killed only two models. My 'gants in spore pod hadn't even made it on the board thanks to a reserves roll that would have passed except his Warlord had the ability that puts a -1 penalty on all Reserve rolls. Game lasted all of two full turns.

There were several things I could have done differently in deployment and all that. Right now I'm still steaming over the lack of sporstmanship. I congratulated him on the win but also told him bluntly that next time he comes to play he should have a list prepared. He said "I can see how that could look like poor sportsmanship." To which I replied "It doesn't look like it, it is poor sportsmanship. Tailoring your list against your opponent is bush league."

Having a hard time letting it go. Side sponson "Gets Hot" could have scored me an Executioner kill as Puppet master took one vehicle down to only two hull points. Might have opened that side of the board up and certainly would have given me one more round with the Tyrant.

Just needed to vent.

[dirkspair]

that guy needs to improve his game, i knew a guy that had 4 different lists in each one of his pockets, one geared to killing marines, one against hordes etc. and when he knew who he was playing against he pulled out the one that best suited him.

better luck with your opponent next time and make sure you black list that dude.

[gigasnail]

yeah, don't bother playing asshats. life's too short.

[Deleted]

Sept 21, 2012 5:05:55 GMT gigasnail said:

yeah, don't bother playing asshats. life's too short.

^QFT

If someone doesn't bring an all-comers list, let him play alone.

P.S. If you don't mind some list criticism;
-DS on Tyrant is a waste, go Devs. You're getting half as many weaker shots for the same price and you ideally aren't shooting GEQ with your Tyrant so ap5 is moot.
-ST and TM are both very mediocre on Tervis. That's 5 points away from the almighty Crushigon! 3 S6 with reroll 1s or 3-5 S10 . . .
-Spore Mine Clusters rarely ever pan out. I'd drop them and find another 30 points for 2 Biovores. Then you can lob Spore Mines to your hearts content.

[fragile]

Change your perspective. If someone tailor builds a list to beat you and you can beat it, that says alot about your build, skill and play style.

There were several things I could have done differently in deployment and all that.

This says it all. With that tailor built list you can see things that you should do alot better than when facing an all comers list. Truly it might not change the outcome of the game, but you will learn alot more ways to beat the things that will really hurt you. And that will make you a better player for it.

Yeah, hes an asshat if that is all he does, but look at it as great practice.

Do you find the Spore Mines worthwhile ? Do you think that a pair of Biovores themselves would be more effective than just the mines themselves ?

[scrotatohead]

Sept 21, 2012 6:50:10 GMT fragile said:

Change your perspective. If someone tailor builds a list to beat you and you can beat it, that says alot about your build, skill and play style.

There were several things I could have done differently in deployment and all that.

This says it all. With that tailor built list you can see things that you should do alot better than when facing an all comers list. Truly it might not change the outcome of the game, but you will learn alot more ways to beat the things that will really hurt you. And that will make you a better player for it.

Yeah, hes an asshat if that is all he does, but look at it as great practice.

Do you find the Spore Mines worthwhile ? Do you think that a pair of Biovores themselves would be more effective than just the mines themselves ?

The spore mines helped a little but not much. He played blocker with his Russes and so mines that went in his direction just coated their front/side armor with goo. I reflection he had a two story ruin on his side that he planted two Vet squads in. I could have tried deep striking the clusters into the ruins and deal with any Dangerous Terrain losses to force those units into the open.

It certainly wasn't a list I've ever taken before. Biovores would have been much better as he wasn't targetting my non-MCs and so they would have had some opportunities to thin down the Vet squads.

I also clearly put several terrain features in the wrong spots. That I need to definitely get better at. I put a hill towards a flank when I should have put it in a more central location to provide cover and ideally force him to move his russes foward to get clearer shots.

He had no AA units so I'm thinking a Flyrant with dual Devourers would have been better. Yes we suffer from being grounded by water balloons or frisbees, but I could have gotten onto his side of the board quickly and started thinning out infantry.

Deployment was a catch-22. I deployed first and he deployed effectively to defend the board. If I had deployed second I could have concentrated on one side of his force but given how far I had to go he would have just moved his other Russes forward and shot me up from the side. Lose-lose with the units I took.

Will I play the guy again? Sure, if he follows the rules. Not taking his "Gets Hot" rolls is probably the most frustrating element of that game. He knows his army back to front. That's not a mistake you make; it's something you do intentionally. I'll have to bring my own IG codex with me to keep him remotely honest. I'd planned to build an IG army but I faced the reality of never actually getting it painted and based for years and so sold off the models.

[eugee]

In the league last summer, I played against a kid (high teens/low twenties--a kid to me) with orks, and the whole game it was starting to irk me as he kept doing little things to cheat. It started off with him launching a multi-assault with stormboyz at my gargoyles and flyrant (this was 5E); he sent them after the gargoyles first, then the flyrant, which was 8" behind the gargoyles--the moves weren't legal and I let him take it back and go after the tyrant first, then cascade those that couldn't reach until he could base the gargoyles.

Then when my hormagaunts slammed into his nob-bikers and warboss and proceeded to wreck face with sheer volume of attacks, they lost and fell back 12". He kept "adjusting" them, moving them back a little further each time and when my hormagaunts charge 6" + 1" + 6 ", I come up less than 1/4" short. He proposed a roll-off to decide if they gaunts made it.

I was severely agitated by then, and on the back side of the fight the few remaining stormboyz again claim a multi-assault on the gaunts + tervigon, even though there's not enough gap between the gants to reach the terv, and he starts arguing that I don't get counterattack.

I shook his hand and said the victory obviously meant a lot more to him than it did to me. I was told the next day that everyone has the same issues with playing him.

There's a couple guys at the shop that will build list tailored to what they are playing against as well. I just don't play with them.

[TheContortionist]

well. you cheated too. you have 4 elites in a 1500 list. that is a nono.

I am not one to complain about people tailoring their lists to beat me. it's called meta. i want the hardest competition i can get. i guess i'm just strange though.

You think you go it bad. lol. try playing against a grey knights player who's 3 dreadnaughts put you at -4 leadership with an Eldar allied detachment with the guy that makes everything i have take their psy tests on 3 dice. rolling 6 or under on 3 dice i hard.

i say just be happy to get some games in. Some of us are not as lucky. instead of making an enemy just make a friend and tailor your lists to beat each other and have fun! fortheswarm.

[Deleted]

He didn't have 4 elites, just a confusing way of writing his list. The 160 point Zoan brood is the 2 Zoans (120) plus the Pod (40).

[seahawk]

Not taking his "Gets Hot" rolls is probably the most frustrating element of that game. He knows his army back to front. That's not a mistake you make; it's something you do intentionally

I still forget "Get's Hot!" on plasma cannons, and I've been playing for 14 years. *shrug*

he sent them after the gargoyles first, then the flyrant, which was 8" behind the gargoyles--the moves weren't legal and I let him take it back and go after the tyrant first, then cascade those that couldn't reach until he could base the gargoyles.

The move was legal and often confused, but then it was illegal because 8" is more than 6", and he could only have charged 6", so yea...

I am not one to complain about people tailoring their lists to beat me. it's called meta. i want the hardest competition i can get. i guess i'm just strange though.

This. My group will bring whatever list they want, before/after knowing what they're up against, and we all have a variety of lists on hand to play with. Harder competition makes you a better gamer.

[wisdomseyes1]

seahawk: Gets hot is new on vehicles though. Unless it was in there 4th edition and I just dont know my (please do not swear).

Also, big guns never tire should have really helped with a Tfex being scoring an all. Put an objective in area terrain, keep the Tfex there, and watch as you have an objective at the end of the game.

[seahawk]

It is new on vehicles, but I often forget with my man-handled cannons! :$

[wisdomseyes1]

I was just defending the point that the person is more likely to forget on a vehicle than a cannon handled by a...

OH GOD YOU IMPERIAL SCUM

[Psychichobo]

There's a guy in our club I once played against who didn't actually cheat, but was eager to exploit any loophole available, which was pretty painful in Fantasy. Talking Conga Line formations and sticking to tourney level lists constantly here. In 7th he was never off Demons, except in smaller games where we often saw a Blood Knight Deathstar. It was just pretty painful to deal with, especially as he had the attitude that he's not going to 'pick a weaker unit just to make opponents happy.'

[Deleted]

If an opponent isn't interested in keeping the game fun for both players, which the BRB definitely supports as key to WH, I'd let him play alone. Takes two to . . . battle haha, and if my enjoyment isn't in the equation then I won't be a part of it. Players like that are best dealt with by letting them play alone as long as they have a ME ME ME attitude. They can have all the ME they want without other players.