Psyker Death or Glory

[coredump]

Sept 23, 2012 20:52:27 GMT 1b2a said:

Still it doesn't mean that a warplance isn't a weapon.
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Wait, I am getting confused.

First yous said that Warp Lance *was* a weapon, and you even CLOSED the CASE. (and you must have meant it, since you used ALL CAPS)

But then... you changed your mind (Does this mean you had to re-open the CASE?) and said the Brain was the weapon... and Warplance was the bullet, or the gunpowder, or something like that.

And now the Warp Lance is the weapon again???

What happened to the Brain?

Is the CASE still CLOSED?

What is the proper procedure for opening a closed case?

When given authority to close a case, do you get a cool badge or anything?

Do you lose the badge if you have to re-open the case?
What if you only re-open it for one post, and then close it again?

This is all so confusing.....

[gigasnail]

i want a cool badge ; ;

[1b2a]

Sept 24, 2012 1:12:04 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Sept 23, 2012 20:52:27 GMT 1b2a said:

Permissive permissive (please do not swear) bulllshit (please do not swear). If it's truly permissive and the absence of a psychic power is sufficient to conclude that it is not a weapon then any weapon not currently under the weapon section is also not a weapon.

"The FAQ that clearly says you cannot manifest PSA in the opponents turn wasnt enough to calm this argument altogether?"

This clearly says that it can't be death or gloried, never saw the rule.

Still it doesn't mean that a warplance isn't a weapon.
The rulebook never defines weapon.

Yes, you are right, the FAQ does clearly say that you can't use PSA for overwatch.

Let's, actually, quote the FAQ for those of us who are too lazy to look it up.

"Q: Can psychic shooting attacks be fired as Snap Shots (assuming
that the Psyker has enough Warp Charge available and requires a
roll to hit)? (p13)
A: Yes, but only in your own Shooting phase. This means that
psychic shooting attacks cannot be made when firing
Overwatch."

Wait... Wait wait wait. That is NOT what this questions answer says? Well, that's odd...

it seems the answer to this question is, "You can shoot then as snapshots just like anything else, but you can only do so during your own shooting phase"

I wonder why that is... what possible rule could they be referring to in the rules that could justify that. Now, normally, if I flipped my rulebook open I wouldnt be able to find anything but I have a strange feeling on this one...

*opens book*

"Witchfire powers aer (i noticed typo just now ) manifested during the Psykers shooting phase..." Page 69 of the rulebook

Would you look at that... It tells you exactly when you are allowed to manifest them. And if you do it any other time and don't have a rule that says you can, your cheating. It's really that simple.

Similarly, you can not manifest blessings at the end of your movement phase, and you can not manifest them during your opponents movement phase, for any reason what-so-ever.

Sorry if my post seems harsh, but it was my statement being attacked.

I hope you aren't implying that I did not agree with you before you posted this because you'd be wrong.

[1b2a]

Sept 24, 2012 5:10:19 GMT coredump said:

Sept 23, 2012 20:52:27 GMT 1b2a said:

Still it doesn't mean that a warplance isn't a weapon.
.

Wait, I am getting confused.

First yous said that Warp Lance *was* a weapon, and you even CLOSED the CASE. (and you must have meant it, since you used ALL CAPS)

But then... you changed your mind (Does this mean you had to re-open the CASE?) and said the Brain was the weapon... and Warplance was the bullet, or the gunpowder, or something like that.

And now the Warp Lance is the weapon again???

What happened to the Brain?

Is the CASE still CLOSED?

What is the proper procedure for opening a closed case?

When given authority to close a case, do you get a cool badge or anything?

Do you lose the badge if you have to re-open the case?
What if you only re-open it for one post, and then close it again?

This is all so confusing.....

I don't know why you find it so hard to understand that a warp lance can fairly be called a weapon outside of the rules of this game because the game doesn't define "weapon" in the rules. Bullets are weapons, gunpowder is a weapon, a gun is a weapon.

[rehkal]

Sept 24, 2012 6:04:47 GMT 1b2a said:

Sept 24, 2012 5:10:19 GMT coredump said:

Wait, I am getting confused.

First yous said that Warp Lance *was* a weapon, and you even CLOSED the CASE. (and you must have meant it, since you used ALL CAPS)

But then... you changed your mind (Does this mean you had to re-open the CASE?) and said the Brain was the weapon... and Warplance was the bullet, or the gunpowder, or something like that.

And now the Warp Lance is the weapon again???

What happened to the Brain?

Is the CASE still CLOSED?

What is the proper procedure for opening a closed case?

When given authority to close a case, do you get a cool badge or anything?

Do you lose the badge if you have to re-open the case?
What if you only re-open it for one post, and then close it again?

This is all so confusing.....

I don't know why you find it so hard to understand that a warp lance can fairly be called a weapon outside of the rules of this game because the game doesn't define "weapon" in the rules. Bullets are weapons, gunpowder is a weapon, a gun is a weapon.

Ah, don't worry Coredump. I don't think you are the one confused.

And actually. A bullet is not a weapon. Its a projectile. Gunpowder is not a weapon either, it's a propellant.

Since psychic powers do not fire projectiles or use propellant I'd say they don't qualify as weapons. But lets do some research shall we. I love wikipedia.

Weapon.
"A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool or instrument used in order to inflict damage or harm to living beings—physical or mental—artificial structures, or systems."

This seems to support your claim of psychic powers being weapons... I suppose they could be considered tools. But lets dig deeper.

Tool.
"A tool is any physical item that can be used to achieve a goal, especially if the item is not consumed in the process."

Ah, darn. A tool is a physical object. Psychic powers are not physical objects. Sorry, they don't seem to meet the requirements to be weapons. Even by "real" criteria.


Unless you are going on the principle that everything is a weapon because technically I could assault you with say.... a banana and it would be considered a weapon at that point. But everyone else would just call you insane for calling the banana a weapon.

[coredump]

DoG requires you use a weapon you *carry*. Since you don't carry Warp Lance..... it doesn't matter if it is a weapon or not...

[1b2a]

Sept 24, 2012 9:49:08 GMT rehkal said:

Sept 24, 2012 6:04:47 GMT 1b2a said:

I don't know why you find it so hard to understand that a warp lance can fairly be called a weapon outside of the rules of this game because the game doesn't define "weapon" in the rules. Bullets are weapons, gunpowder is a weapon, a gun is a weapon.

Ah, don't worry Coredump. I don't think you are the one confused.

And actually. A bullet is not a weapon. Its a projectile. Gunpowder is not a weapon either, it's a propellant.

Since psychic powers do not fire projectiles or use propellant I'd say they don't qualify as weapons. But lets do some research shall we. I love wikipedia.

Weapon.
"A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool or instrument used in order to inflict damage or harm to living beings—physical or mental—artificial structures, or systems."

This seems to support your claim of psychic powers being weapons... I suppose they could be considered tools. But lets dig deeper.

Tool.
"A tool is any physical item that can be used to achieve a goal, especially if the item is not consumed in the process."

Ah, darn. A tool is a physical object. Psychic powers are not physical objects. Sorry, they don't seem to meet the requirements to be weapons. Even by "real" criteria.


Unless you are going on the principle that everything is a weapon because technically I could assault you with say.... a banana and it would be considered a weapon at that point. But everyone else would just call you insane for calling the banana a weapon.

Psychic energy weapons don't exist in the real world. If I focused my waarplance on a child Im sure Id get charged with endangerment with a deadly weapon. Im done with this though, lost interest

[lostminds]

Unless you are going on the principle that everything is a weapon because technically I could assault you with say.... a banana and it would be considered a weapon at that point. But everyone else would just call you insane for calling the banana a weapon.

Never underestimate fresh fruit.
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