Hive Tyrant confusion

[alamomelt]

The Hive Tyrant gets /one/ twin linked devourer with brainleech worms for 15 points (replacing a set of scything talons). It's not /two/ twin linked devourers. Unless you replace the lashwhip and bonesword for scything talons, then pay 15 points to replace those talons with another single twin linked devourer. Is this correct?

[sunshine]

You nailed it (:

[wisdomseyes1]

15 points for 6 shots from 1 weapon
30 points for 12 shots from 2 weapons.

I am almost sure you have it right, but I cant be sure based on how you asked it.

[alamomelt]

Thanks, glad I had it right.

Next up...is there any point, game mechanics wise, to having a Tyrant with a bonesword? Aren't all its close combat attacks AP 2 (and thus ignoring armor saves) anyway?

[Deleted]

A single Bonesword causes Instant Death on a failed LD test.

[Illithid]

LW / BS are good when assaulting into cover. Also, the chance as 60mm wrote of instant killing opponents is useful.

[free]

Sept 8, 2012 18:42:48 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

15 points for 6 shots from 1 weapon
30 points for 12 shots from 2 weapons.

1 Twin Linked Devourer weapons option shows as two weapons on the model and 2 twin linked Devourers infact show as four weapons on the model. (Due to the obvious lack of limbs for this if you have a winged Hive Tyrant some people have come up with different ways to fit this on the model, such as attaching the wings on the back or modeling 2 Devourers in one hand etc).

[Psychichobo]

It's not so much the Bonesword as the Lash Whip that's the best thing. Since he comes with it for free and they're paired there's no point changing his equipment unless you're planning on not taking Old Adversary or are trying for a Tank Hunting Scytherant.

Or if you're going shooty... yup....

[alamomelt]

I tried a shooty Tyrant. TL Devourer and a Heavy Venom Canon. The HVC didn't hit a single thing all game. Guess it's Stranglethorn time? Neither of them penetrate marine armor so I guess the higher strength of the HVC is moot. Hive Guard can smash the mechs.

[Mearl]

Those venom cannons will surprise you sometimes 36" st.9 instant death T-4 models plus the new rules for blasts on vehicles is just awesome.

[wisdomseyes1]

Never take venom cannons (or heavy cannons) on anything, especially something with access to devourers.

[Ackor]

Sept 10, 2012 2:49:41 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

Never take venom cannons (or heavy cannons) on anything, especially something with access to devourers.

I wish I knew that before I made my first tyrant and carnifex.

Yours
CA

[wisdomseyes1]

The only legitimate merit I have heard anyone ever say was "it instant kills DE characters" and even then shadow fields do quite well and stopping that and devourers re better for the role.

[Deleted]

Yeah, HVC/VC got nerfed to dust with the new damage chart on vehicles, they can not wreck a vehicle unless it's open topped with a penetrating hit. If it's <av13 use TL Devs. If it's >av12 use Hive Guard, Zoans, or MC CC. I think VC can be ok with Warriors in smaller games facing armies with 4+ troops but it's too much of a niche unless your local meta happens to be 4+ heavy. If you have Carnifexen/Tyrants with HVCs, just remove them and magnetize stuff. Unless you pinned the arms on it shouldn't be hard to take them off and magnetize it for more options. TL Devs is the only "viable" option right now, but magnetizing them won't hurt and lets you toy with other loadouts and adapt to the future without having to snap limbs off.

[swarmy]

Sept 10, 2012 6:06:54 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

The only legitimate merit I have heard anyone ever say was "it instant kills DE characters" and even then shadow fields do quite well and stopping that and devourers re better for the role.

People don't seem to mention the benefit that it's double the range of devourers in a game where we are out-ranged by double to triple our shooting threat range often. It's not a perfect gun but it's one of very very few long range options we even have.

Don't forget crisis suits getting ID'ed! Worst case scenario it scatters off onto firewarriors who just take the AP4

Devourers aren't always the answer...but I think they come up a lot because of all of the in-your-face power armor armies that can push into their 18" range.