Are Tyrannofexes good?

[Deadlink]

Hey Hive.
I'm kinda new to 6th edition and I was thinking of adding a Tyrannofex to my tyranid army. The model looks beast, but from what I have worked out it is not as good as it looks.

I really don't know what to think of it and Particualarly what weapons /Biomorphs I should give it.

Right now I would say Regen, Rupture cannon, deccicator larvea and stinger salvo.

But I would like to know how good it is, what weapons you would recommend I take and general tactics to use with the Tyrannofex?

Thanks,

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[fleetofclaw]

If you run the math rupture canon is actually quite a terrible anti tank gun. Low probability of wrecking (thanks to new damage chart) and low hit point removal output, and on such an expensive model. If I ran one I'd go acid spray mode and rush that sucker forward. Only problem is for less points I could have a Tervigon that casts awesome psychic powers, poops scoring units, is pretty dang durable, and can wreck face in close combat.

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[tinytermagant]

Like you, I love the Tyrannofex model.
And I've tried so hard to make T'fexes work, but...

Very high points cost.

Rupture cannon not a good anti-tank due to AP4 and BS3.
Acid Spray is a better choice for this reason, and do you really need that?

2+ Armor will still be ignored by many of the typical anti-tank weapons that fire on our monsters.

But the worst thing for me:
Since they gotta stop and shoot they're slooooow, especially the Rupture cannon variant, unless you keep Onslaught on them, which seems a waste of warp charge.

Put a deadly, deadly Trygon in that Heavy slot is my recommendation
Or, if you really wanna use them, try the Acid Spray/Desiccator/Cluster Spines variant to destroy the types of infantry you don't wanna handle in CC.

[swarm492]

I find the tyrano is the best just bare bones, it keeps her cheap..ish?? and has a lot of anti infantry fire.

[DarkGuard]

Sept 5, 2012 14:01:46 GMT tinytermagant said:

2+ Armor will still be ignored by many of the typical anti-tank weapons that fire on our monsters....

Put a deadly, deadly Trygon in that Heavy slot is my recommendation
Or, if you really wanna use them, try the Acid Spray/Desiccator/Cluster Spines variant to destroy the types of infantry you don't wanna handle in CC.

I find that most anti tank weapons will tend to be krak missiles and autocannon, so actually they'll be quite durable against them.

Agree with the load out and idea to use a Trygon instead though.

[Deleted]

Acid Spray TFex can be ok if you run them up the board, rupture cannon is a joke to be avoided at all costs. Most people felt it wasn't worth the price in 5th and 6th cut it's chance of wrecking in half, so it went from bad to literally twice as bad.

[liquid405]

I have had some pretty good success with the Acid Spray T-Fex.

[rpricew]

They are sort of good if you castle up and make you're opponent come to you, however... not very many people will do that!

There really are better choices for the points. For me, they are just for fun fluffy games.

I take the rupture cannon to just shoot at my opponent turn one and then onslaught them forward in front of the army. I run Biovores behing the Tervigons lobbing bombs too. Its kind of funny, throw in some FNP & Venomthropes and it's pretty durable. But one bad JOTWW and poof... there goes 800 points.

2K Double FOC
HQ:
Tervigon (Catalyst, Onslaught, TS, AG) - 210
Tervigon (Catalyst, Onslaught, TS, AG) - 210

Elite:
3 Hive Guard - 150
3 Hive Guard - 150
2 Venomthropes - 90
2 Venomthropes - 90

Troop:
10 Devilgants - 100
10 Devilgants - 100
10 Termagants - 50
10 Termagants - 50

Heavy:
Tyrannofex (Rupture) - 265
Tyrannofex (Rupture) - 265
3 Biovores - 135
3 Biovores - 135

2000 points

[maskedtyranid]

Why is everyone saying that the Tyrannofex must stop to shoot? I've checked the codex, the new rulebook, and the FAQ, and I have found absolutely nothing that suggests that. All of the Tyrannofex's weapons are Assault weapons, and even if they were actually Heavy weapons, the TFex has Relentless simply by virtue of being an MC, so they'd basically be Assault weapons anyway. From what I can see, the TFex can fire its main weapon (i.e., Acid Spray), its secondary weapon (maybe Cluster Spines), its thorax swarm weapon (probably Dessicator Larvae), move, AND assault in the same turn. If anyone believes otherwise please cite the relevant pages in the rulebook and codex.

Now. I will say that, unfortunately, while I did praise the RC Tfex once, the new vehicle damage chart does hurt them. If a competent codex writer had done the Nid codex and given the RC an AP of 2 or even 1 it wouldn't be so bad, but without that it's basically a tank buster that's terrible at busting tanks. Take the Acid Spray instead and use it to clear away infantry while you steadily advance upon their tanks, though bear in mind that, on the turn that you assault the enemy tanks, you must shoot at your target if you want to assault it. That's okay, though, because if you gave your TFex nothing but template weapons there's still a good chance of collateral damage if anyone is near the tank you're going to charge. Finally, charge the enemy tank. I'd suggest using Smash even on vehicles with a rear armor of 10 to avoid Murphy's Law, excepting if you gave the TFex adrenal glands, which will increase your odds of getting a penetrating hit.

So, that's the scheme, there. Hose down infantry, then assault tanks when you're close enough. The TFex could stand to be more point-efficient--other armies get a lot more for less, frankly--but don't discount it completely. As one of the few MC's with a 2+ save, enemy armies, especially ones armed with Krak missiles (because those are the sheezy, yo), may find it very difficult to destroy, and ignore it in favor of other targets. They may regret that when they're being pounded by three template weapons at the same time, and if they don't have AP2 power weapons, they may regret being assaulted by him even more.

[rpricew]

@ masked - no one is saying the Tfex can't move and shoot. What we're saying is because you have to shoot instead of running, the Tfex is slow. Therefore most of its weaponry doesn't get into battle until later in the game. That is unless your enemy comes to you. Most armies aren't really interested in closing the distance with Tyranids though.

I've never had a Tfex get past half field, without onslaught, in a game because it has to shoot the big gun every round.

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Corrected

[rpricew]

Sept 6, 2012 1:53:03 GMT @60mm said:

Also, in 6th MCs can only fire 2 weapons a turn so Tfex can't even use all his weapons. Poor guy just keeps getting nerfed, I hadn't thought of the 2 shot rule for Tfex beforehand. No way I'd use him now, that's the final nail.

Pg48 btw

What about the rule for Thorax swarm that says can always be fired? Codex trumps rule book right? Page 82 Tyranid Codex.

[swarm492]

^ bam

[maskedtyranid]

Sept 6, 2012 1:44:22 GMT rpricew said:

@ masked - no one is saying the Tfex can't move and shoot. What we're saying is because you have to shoot instead of running, the Tfex is slow. Therefore most of its weaponry doesn't get into battle until later in the game. That is unless your enemy comes to you. Most armies aren't really interested in closing the distance with Tyranids though.

Oh. That makes more sense. Well, if you give him Acid Spray you may actually be better off having him shoot in a lot of cases anyway. You'll probably hit more models and potentially cause more casualties. Also, the TFex is actually kind of mediocre in close combat and easily be tarpitted. Busting tanks is really the best he can do in CC.

[fleetofclaw]

I don't know why GW is so terrified of putting low AP guns on our bugs, even if the rupture cannon was the 1 gun in our codex with AP2 (or Hive Mind forbit, AP1) then it might be worthwhile; but apparently we shoot these super high velocity, high power... fluffy balls of goo that bounce of mediocre armor. /boggle.