Hive Tyrant's Look Out Sir

[carnogaunt]

Sept 2, 2012 21:32:03 GMT fragile said:

Read more: thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=40464#ixzz25LmXTEaA
Btw ^^ this really needs to go. Every time you copy/paste you have to delete this

Post it in the forum maintenance announcement. Describe the situation that causes it to happen.

[1b2a]

Sept 1, 2012 19:40:40 GMT WestRider said:

Not quite, you can't stack the Armour Save and the LOS!. If you've got Armoured Shell and Guards, it's a Unit with Mixed Armour, so you have to roll LOS! before Saves.

Might it actually be better to not get 2+ so that you can roll armor save then los?

[fragile]

Well, 2+ is alot better that 3+. Its just a matter of deciding who you want to try to take the wound.

[WestRider]

It's still better to have the 2+. You never really get both, because if they all have 3+, you're passing along an already failed Wound to the Guard, while if you have the 2+, you're either passing along a Save to the Guard, or just taking the save on your 2+. Lets the Tyrant tank Missile Fire and Small Arms even better than in 5th and you're still usually going to be able to pass the Plasma/Lascannon/Melta Wounds on to the Guards.

[Raven]

Sept 5, 2012 22:19:15 GMT 1b2a said:

Sept 1, 2012 19:40:40 GMT WestRider said:

Not quite, you can't stack the Armour Save and the LOS!. If you've got Armoured Shell and Guards, it's a Unit with Mixed Armour, so you have to roll LOS! before Saves.

Might it actually be better to not get 2+ so that you can roll armor save then los?

No, because the result will generally be exactly the same either way. while if you have a 2+ you can tank missiles with your Tyrant and pass on Lascannons, Plasma & Melta shots that you can't save to your Tyrant Guard.
It also makes your Hive Tyrant much more durable against missile spam armies (Space Wolves) because they suddenly go from needing an average of 11 missiles to take out a Hive Tyrant with one Tyrant Guard to needing an average of 47 missiles to take out an Armoured Shell Hive Tyrant with one Tyrant Guard. (with BS of 4 and discounting psychic powers like Leech Essence, Iron Arm and Endurance)