Warriors and the fear of RLs and S8 Templates

[depletor [H5ed]]

Hey all,

the army list I am currently trying to establish as my all-purpose-tournament-list has a warrior unit of 7 in. They will outflank and have deathspitters and crushing claws.

I am now trying to figure out the REAL threat from S8 weapons and S8-templates. With REAL I am not talking about Mathhammer. REAL means in a game with a powerful but not anti-tyranid or anti-Warrior list. What are your experiences? Will these tactics help?

Spreading out
Very important is the 4 cm diameter of a base. This means, that, in a loose formation, max. 2 warriors can be hit. Is such a formation realistic? In my opinion spreading out 7 warriors should be difficult and might bring some of the warriors out of shooting range.

Defensive play
Facing unusual high density of S8? A unit of warriors with distance to the hot spots should be safe and get into the game in the late phase (Turn 4). Do not fear losses then. You only have to ensure one will survive to hold an objective marker in the end of the game. Of course not very effective to keep an expensive unit in the back and not taking part in the fight but better than nothing.

The list I am talking about (sorry if you have seen it before on tth, I am spamming it )

***** HQ (2) *****
Hive Tyrant (265 points)
- Twin-Linked Devourers
- Twin-Linked Devourers
- Hive Commander
- Armoured Shell

2x Tyrant Guard (120 points)
- Scything Talons

Warrior Prime (110 points)
- Lash Whip & Bone Sword
- Deathspitter
- Regeneration


***** Elite (0) *****


***** Troops (6) *****

24x Termagants (120 points)
- Fleshborers

16x Termagants (200 points)
- Devourer
- Mycetic Spore

Tervigon (195 points)
- Claws and Teeth
- Adrenal Glands
- Toxin Sacs
- Stinger Salvo
- Catalyst

Tervigon (195 points)
- Claws and Teeth
- Adrenal Glands
- Toxin Sacs
- Stinger Salvo
- Catalyst

7x Tyranid Warriors (285 points)
- Rending Claws
- Deathspitter
- Barbed Strangler

15x Genestealers (258 points)
- Broodlord
- Scything Talons

Total: 1748 points

[Jabberwocky]

I think a big part is managing the opponents target priority. Pushing forward deep with a Flyrant for example will draw fire away from warriors. Same goes for DoM in a pod, dakkafex, or even a full deathstar running down the middle.

Are the warriors supposed to be a support element, a power unit, or just capture and hold an enemy objective?

Coming in turn 2 should help you establish them as a secondary target which should let them last a bit longer.

[l0rdf1end]

I agree with Jabber.

It's establishing a synergy in your list to create specific threats for target priority that your opponent must deal with.
This aids in distraction to help you accomplish what you are actually aiming to do with your list.

We are lucky to have many distraction elements in the codex, Doom being one, if you're opponent is foot heavy he just has to be dealt with.

[DarkGuard]

My standard Marine list at the moment has 10 missile launchers, 5 melta weapons and 2 Vindicators. That's a lot of firepower that can level a few squads of Warriors and Warrior equivalents over the course of a game.

The threat of these sort of armies is real, so long as they're built right. You have to be careful and as you've said spread out properly and provide proper target saturation. Coming from Outflank can be a good idea for making them able to impact the game before dying, especially with deathspitters and equivalent.

[rpricew]

I've been using a unit of 4 with a Prime. I outflank them and they have survived every game winning 3 of my five games I played with them because the claim a backfield objective and Line Breaker.

Most of the time people are shooting the other threats in the army. I'm considering dropping them down to a prime plus three because I haven't needed 4 Warriors yet. They have killed everything they encountered by a long shot.

If you bring 7, then the unit will draw a lot more attention... Therefore a lot more missiles.

[depletor [H5ed]]

Thank you for all the responses. I added the list to my post.

rpricew: Your opponent should know in the next game that he should finish this brood off. People still have to get used to win the new missions.

@darkgard and rpricew: I would like to see your lists as well!

[rpricew]

my list is in my signature

[depletor [H5ed]]

I really really like it! So much variation in it! No real spam of one kind of units. Painting seems to be cool as well (just your gaming board needs some love).

[Psychichobo]

Outflanking a chunky brood should get rid of most of the conventional S8 spam problems, and they really don't suffer from small arms fire that much. When you outflank them, do you stick them near an enemy unit to discourage pie plates (since they're likely to scatter onto the wrong unit)?


Also always spread them out. A guy used to do the whole 2" coherency thing with his marines back at our uni club and it made my zoanthropes feel even more useless.

[gigasnail]

didn't think you could attach the prime to an outflanking (via HC) unit.

[Talonis]

I've only had my warriors completely taken of once, from a very luck manticore. Other than that I find the odd missile comes there way, but most of the time people fire what ever small arms weapons they have spare at them, which doesn't do too much damage. But having target priority is a big key to keeping them alive. If you can get in their lines quickly with the tervigons and other troops, you should do ok to keep them alive and then the warriors arrive via outflank to clean up or support.

They are pretty good in cc too, and since you have decided to go with rending claws, they can take out most vehicles too. I like warriors are for me, realistically indont experience the mass S8 which every fears, and when I do it's not generally aimed at my warriors.

[DarkGuard]

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=otherarmies&action=display&thread=40298

It's the second list there. It's doing well. Well, I've only played it once in 6th Ed, but I played it a few times in 5th Ed as well and it always did well. That sort of list has always won more than it's lost or drawn for me.

[labinnac]

Yeah and if you really think about a s8 hit at your warriors ISN'T one at your tyrant. Any one who focus firs a brood of warriors before a tyrant is going to have trouble down the line. Sure they killed 4 warriors in about 2 turns but now look whats in their face, a giant man eating monstrosity that they should have been dealing with the whole time and your going to make them pay for their mistake with BLOOD!

[WestRider]

Aug 29, 2012 21:42:27 GMT gigasnail said:

didn't think you could attach the prime to an outflanking (via HC) unit.

In 5th, it was questionable. In 6th, as long as at least one Model in the Unit can Outflank, the whole Unit can. It's in the Outflank Rule on Pg.40.

[gigasnail]

excellent; i thought it was in the FAQ actually. but no i just checked. good catch, and thanks.