Gargoyles and Instinctive...

[rhawin]

Does Gargoyles need to test for their IB the turn they Deep strike?

since Deep striking is done FIRST for that unit, they have already done something in the movement phase... and cannot test, since they are not on the table at the beginning of the movement phase.

Forgive my Question spamming today

[l0rdf1end]

Pretty sure they don't because synapse checks are at the beginning of the movement phase, that would come before bringing your reserves in.

But second to that, Gargolyes can't deepstrike, they are jump infantry, not flyers.

[undeadfilth]

I believe in the FAQ it says that tyranid units arriving from reserves do not roll for IB. You would have to check it yourself though as I am at work right now. Pretty sure that is correct though.

[undeadfilth]

I was under the impression that models with wings could deepstrike. Think that's in the codex description for wings.

[gigasnail]

it's in the FAQ; tyranids don't check for IB the turn they come in from reserves.

and unless something has changed gargoyles (and shrikes) can DS. at work atm so can't check the BRB.

[rhawin]

As i thought but was unsure. Think i will have too print out the FAQ and ERRATA so I'm not dependent on being on-line to check it.

[wisdomseyes1]

Everyone who said gargoyles can't deep strike are wrong.

Jump infantry section under special rules.

Though, deep striking them is a bad idea in my opinion... It's a GIANT footprint. And even if it wasnt, are faster just deploying them (unless you are on a table that is larger than 6x4... Like apoc tables.

[rhawin]

Wisdomeyes: How do you mean faster not Deep Strike... i want them too survive long enough too shoot something

I count on them shooting one turn and be irritating, so that fire is divided on them instead of my important units, and if not... one more turn of fireing and then a charge.

Am i thinking wrong here... should i perhaps use them in another fashion?

[undeadfilth]

rhawin: 90 gargoyles deployed on the first turn filling your deployment zone is enough to make any seasoned player (please do not swear) bricks. They be's scary. Especially with a couple winged old adversary tyrants rolling with them:P

[l0rdf1end]

Sorry, I stand corrected then, don't know why i thought jump infantry couldnt deepstrike.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 21, 2012 22:23:07 GMT rhawin said:

Wisdomeyes: How do you mean faster not Deep Strike... i want them too survive long enough too shoot something

I count on them shooting one turn and be irritating, so that fire is divided on them instead of my important units, and if not... one more turn of fireing and then a charge.

Am i thinking wrong here... should i perhaps use them in another fashion?

Even at the front of the deployment zone, there isn't much enemy fire that can actually hit them for a little while. Getting shot at is annoying, but remember the price of the models your using. If your opponent has long ranged anti infantry fire, jut keep them in cover and risk the dangerous terrain tests.

Moving 12" is fast enough. There is a 2" divide in the deployment types. Move + run and you will be in combat by turn 3. You have to roll well and scatter well for deep strike.

Similar logic is used for Trygons.

The only time deepstrike is "faster" is when infinite distance being covered is actually relevant. Otherwise, deepstrike is a method to keep a model out of range of fire and then be put into a tactical position later on.

[WestRider]

Also, the FAQ is unnecessary for this point. The last paragraph on Pg.124 covers it, as part of a general ruling on forced movement when coming in from Reserves.

You should probably still print out a copy of your FAQ and keep it with your Codex, tho. Generally good practice.

[dekion]

I have 10 Gargoyles i plan on running in my first match. Is that to few?

[coredump]

Depends on what role they have. If simply for mobile cover, it should work okay. If to tie up an enemy unit for a turn, it will work depending on the unit.

To kill stuff... probably not enough models.

But to kill transports... should be okay.

[DarkGuard]

I'd say even as mobile cover they won't do great. Gargoyles are very fragile, boltguns kill them easily, as do frag missiles etc. And while you can easily hide them behind something so they can't be shot at, getting cover for them is harder than getting cover for Hormagaunts etc due to their elevated nature. If you're careful with them they'll work, but I wouldn't be comfortable with less than 15, and would generally prefer at least 20.