Synaspe and feed

[eldar88]

This may sound like a stupid question, but hear me out,
Is it worth keeping creatures with Feed under Synapse control or just let them run wild, especially the already fearless ones such as the doom, carnifexs, trygons etc, Or is synapse really that vital. isn't rage just doing wat u were going to do with the aformentioned creatures anyway.

[Tempests Wrath]

Depends on the unit..

The only disadvantage (i know of) is that we cant shoot.
The advantage is one extra attack on the charge.

[DarkGuard]

You forgot the massive disadvantage that is Ld6 on a lot of our feed units. Sounds fine right, because we're more likely to get rage? But then factor in leadership tests. You get shot, lose 25% of your unit, and out of synapse range, and now you're testing at Ld6 or running away. You somehow lose combat, you're testing at Ld5 or lower now. Feed IMO is something handy if we end up out of synapse range, but with the changes to Fearless I'd much rather keep them in synapse range rather than out.

Unless it's a Fearless unit like a Trygon or Carnifex, in which case I don't care. But dakkafexes should always be kept in synapse.

[bloodborne]

for my own right, I like keeping my gaunts in synapse to keep control over them until they are close enough to a target that I want to hit them with. The big issue I have with IB feed is that at times they will chase a unit they have no chance of hurting which, until it comes back under control, means a unit is now effectively useless, unless by chance that unit gets closer to a unit it can hurt.

[wisdomseyes1]

I do like how no one who has posted so far has actually realized the Op asked about specific units that already have fearless.

Already fearless creatures won't care about synapse, at all... With the exception of say, the doom or devikfexen, where they won't be allowed to shoot. Remember they have *okay* leadership though (doom is 10, not feeding any time soon, fex is 6... It's pretty 50-50)

Gaunts want to stay in synapse for shooting, then get out of synapse a turn before a likely assault, to try and get that extra attack (maybe) but even that is risky, because they might take a wound and then get all scared and run to their mommy (synapse creature) and be set 2 turns back. Safety vs power, safety wins (unless your orks, always use the melta that explodes when you use it. Not because it's good, but because it's funny )

[Jabberwocky]

If you have taken telepathy, for instance on spammed Broodlords or Zoans, you are quite likely to end up with the weaker power mental fortitude.

This power lets you regroup and grant fearless to a unit within 24", which is the perfect range for something that has just escaped synapse or about to dash off, like raveners.

[DarkGuard]

Aug 14, 2012 0:59:55 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

I do like how no one who has posted so far has actually realized the Op asked about specific units that already have fearless.

Well the actual wording was feed units, especially fearless ones. I just gave the general disadvantage and then the fact that fearless units ignore it.

[bloodborne]

^^ what he said.... fearless it doesn't matter so much, so I more fixated on the units where it does matter... the one unit we have though, that cares nothing for IB: feed, is the Pyro, it is still able to shoot and benefits from rage... even if it is sub par for elite standards...

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 14, 2012 22:52:15 GMT bloodborne said:

^^ what he said.... fearless it doesn't matter so much, so I more fixated on the units where it does matter... the one unit we have though, that cares nothing for IB: feed, is the Pyro, it is still able to shoot and benefits from rage... even if it is sub par for elite standards...

If you say this you probably don't actually use hormagaunts, or if you do you forget to take moral at the end of shooting. That moment you fallback, you lost 2 turns (that turn an the next turn) of assault, went back 2D6 inches, only recovering that speed with 3" regrouping consolidation. You fall back in shooting with a unit like hormagaunts, you lost a lot. And, it's not just shooting. You can have them fall back from tankshocks as well.

Fearless is extremely important for units that are trying to advance.

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Aug 14, 2012 7:11:28 GMT Jabberwocky said:

If you have taken telepathy, for instance on spammed Broodlords or Zoans, you are quite likely to end up with the weaker power mental fortitude.

This power lets you regroup and grant fearless to a unit within 24", which is the perfect range for something that has just escaped synapse or about to dash off, like raveners.

Excellent catch Jabber!!! ;D

[bloodborne]

Wisdom, I do actually love my hormis... a lot... I have to admit though, I do seem to have the luck of the devil on my moral checks...

I just caught n that I think you may have misunderstood me Wisdom... heh, It's all good, with hormis, how you use synapse with them is VERY important. Generally, you want to keep them close to synapse until you are in a position where it might be beneficial to cut them loose, and even then, it is not always a good idea due to the aformentioned problems that arise with this tactic. When it works, great, when it doesn't, well... I have yet to have that be an issue, like I said, luck of the devil...

[Tempests Wrath]

wisdomseyes1 said:

*snip*

Fearless is extremely important for units that are trying to advance.

Its not -that- important.

Its just easymode.

Ill still admit that actually having to take most leaderships tests out of synapse is in fact a disadvantage. An annoying one at that.

But I am one of those people with crazy leadership luck.

[wisdomseyes1]

Aug 15, 2012 0:17:35 GMT Tempests Wrath said:

wisdomseyes1 said:

*snip*

Fearless is extremely important for units that are trying to advance.

Its not -that- important.

Its just easymode.

Ill still admit that actually having to take most leaderships tests out of synapse is in fact a disadvantage. An annoying one at that.

But I am one of those people with crazy leadership luck.

I laughed, which i think has only ever happened in the off topic general board and when spaceisptettybig or stingray said something. So I tip my non- existent hat to you, good sir. Easy mode. Just... Wow haha.

Now on topic. It's about a 50% chance to pass at leadership 7, so leadership 6 isn't that far off (42 I think?) so it's not crazy luck. And while the idea of going on... Hard mode... Seems appealing, I played Daemons and Tyranids in 5th edition. I chose hard mode with my armies

[bloodborne]

heh... it's all relative though....

the ratio for that is accurate, however, it is also on a +/- scale, as it all has to do with how the person rolls...

Case in point, I roll well for moral checks and saves, so I can end up gridlocking my opponent.... however, I roll utter (please do not swear) for to-hit/wound rolls, one of the reasons I LOVE scytals in their current meta....

But then that is getting off topic, and I do love to ramble, so I'll leave that be for the next response...

[maugrim]

Aug 14, 2012 0:18:59 GMT bloodborne said:

The big issue I have with IB feed is that at times they will chase a unit they have no chance of hurting which, until it comes back under control, means a unit is now effectively useless, unless by chance that unit gets closer to a unit it can hurt.

No leading creatures around by the nose anymore - Rage simply gives them an extra attack on the charge.