Impaler Cannons in 6e

[fleetofclaw]

Sept 8, 2012 2:57:59 GMT 1b2a said:

I want to run 18 in 2000 point lists. I currently own 0.

Ouch... even with a good online discount you're still looking at $360-ish. Good luck with that!

Or you can always go the ol' convert warriors in to hive guard routine.

[rpricew]

My attempt at a list with 18 Hive Guard.

2K Double FOC

HQ:
Tervigon: (Warlord) TS, AG, 2 Biomancy Powers = 195
Tyranid Prime: LW+BS, TS = 105

Elite:
3 Hive Guard = 150
3 Hive Guard = 150
3 Hive Guard = 150
3 Hive Guard = 150
3 Hive Guard = 150
3 Hive Guard = 150

Troops:
Tervigon: TS, AG, ST, 2 Biomancy Powers = 200
Tervigon: TS, AG, ST, 2 Biomancy Powers = 200
10 Termagants = 50
10 Termagants = 50

Heavy:
Trygon: TS = 210
2 Biovores = 90

[coredump]

Oh, don't forget the Skyshield to put those HGuard on for a 4++ save...

[alamomelt]

What's this about the canons ignoring Night Fighting? Aren't all the models /in/ the cover (of darkness)? That's how I read it.

[wisdomseyes1]

Sept 11, 2012 0:05:20 GMT alamomelt said:

What's this about the canons ignoring Night Fighting? Aren't all the models /in/ the cover (of darkness)? That's how I read it.

You are not "in" open ground

[coredump]

But that is not how the rules read it.

[Raven]

Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves granted from everything except from being in area terrain as long as part of the area terrain is between the Hive Guard and the unit under fire. Night Fighting still prevents them from shooting anything 36 inches or more away from them, but then again so does their 24'' range.

So let's do a recap:
Intervening models - no cover save
intervening terrain - no cover save
Inside area terrain - Cover save granted
Front end in area terrain - Cover save granted
Back end in area terrain - no cover save
Jink - no cover save
Stealth - no cover save
Shrouded - no cover save
Any other special rule that grants cover saves - no cover save
Smoke launchers - no cover save
Mysterious river (industrial ooze) - no cover save
Cat in the way - no cover save
Myopia - no cover save
Orks painted purple to make them sneakier - no cover save
Götterdämmerung - no cover save

[wisdomseyes1]

Sept 11, 2012 2:21:28 GMT coredump said:

But that is not how the rules read it.

I cant tell if that was directed at me or not.

If so, elaborate.

[coredump]

No, it was not directed at you... sorry for the confusion.

[1b2a]

Sept 8, 2012 19:00:33 GMT rpricew said:

My attempt at a list with 18 Hive Guard.

I love it!

[DukeMantis]

Amazing as they may be, I dont think you will make many friends at the local gaming club with 18 hive guard! You will make lots of friends at GW though as they bathe in your moneys... good luck!

[Jabberwocky]

Sept 11, 2012 8:19:12 GMT Raven said:

Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves granted from everything except from being in area terrain as long as part of the area terrain is between the Hive Guard and the unit under fire. Night Fighting still prevents them from shooting anything 36 inches or more away from them, but then again so does their 24'' range.

So let's do a recap:
Intervening models - no cover save
intervening terrain - no cover save
Inside area terrain - Cover save granted
Front end in area terrain - Cover save granted
Back end in area terrain - no cover save
Jink - no cover save
Stealth - no cover save
Shrouded - no cover save
Any other special rule that grants cover saves - no cover save
Smoke launchers - no cover save
Mysterious river (industrial ooze) - no cover save
Cat in the way - no cover save
Myopia - no cover save
Orks painted purple to make them sneakier - no cover save
Götterdämmerung - no cover save

This isn't quite right. Models will still get stealth and shrouded, IF they are already entitled to a cover save, i.e. Inside terrain, as you said.

[Raven]

Sept 13, 2012 21:23:04 GMT Jabberwocky said:

Sept 11, 2012 8:19:12 GMT Raven said:

Impaler Cannons ignore cover saves granted from everything except from being in area terrain as long as part of the area terrain is between the Hive Guard and the unit under fire. Night Fighting still prevents them from shooting anything 36 inches or more away from them, but then again so does their 24'' range.

So let's do a recap:
Intervening models - no cover save
intervening terrain - no cover save
Inside area terrain - Cover save granted
Front end in area terrain - Cover save granted
Back end in area terrain - no cover save
Jink - no cover save
Stealth - no cover save
Shrouded - no cover save
Any other special rule that grants cover saves - no cover save
Smoke launchers - no cover save
Mysterious river (industrial ooze) - no cover save
Cat in the way - no cover save
Myopia - no cover save
Orks painted purple to make them sneakier - no cover save
Götterdämmerung - no cover save

This isn't quite right. Models will still get stealth and shrouded, IF they are already entitled to a cover save, i.e. Inside terrain, as you said.

That's true, I was thinking something standing out in the open with Stealth or Shrouded. Yes, if you do get a cover save from area terrain you still benefit from any modifications to your save like Stealth and Shrouded.