RIP Venom Cannon

[Deleted]

I just realized the VC and HVC can no longer wreck vehicles with penetrating shots and now have no choice but to glance them to death. Very, very slowly. :*( Here's to hoping they will be worthwhile in a few years. It's sad to see what use to be one of our go-to AT weapons now completely unable even wreck a Chimera while a STC can. In remembrance, share your stories of those times the VC pulled off some awesome stuff.

[Jabberwocky]

They can still wreck/explode open top ones..

[wisdomseyes1]

They also got more accurate against vehicles, since the center doesn't need to be over the top anymore.

But honestly, there was never really a good reason to take them.

[Deleted]

Assuming you attack an av10 open topped vehicle, hit 1/3, penetrate 5/6, wreck 1/6. Your odds are 5/108. Every 22 turns . . .

[Deleted]

I only put them on my spore pods, just so that they are still threatening. My usual opponent gets worried when he sees anyhting attacking his vehicles = ]

[Deleted]

The TL Deathspitter has much better odds at harming a vehicle, even having a chance to wreck a vehicle in a single salvo and is 10 points cheaper

[swarmy]

HVC was never meant for vehicles from my experience. It's better for splatting expensive elves (eldar/dark eldar) ...at least that's the only time I saw it really impress me; deny their FnP and strip away the multi-wound ones. I think I recall the AP4 being handy versus something but the name of it eludes me now. Regular VC isn't the worst thing I've ever seen but I opt to use the barbed strangler any day.

[turndamage]

really didn't mind the range though...

[aihtin]

I actually only ever used VC/HVC twice and after that I saw no point to it, and this was back in 5th. Normal non template shots always work better for my nids, and if there is a large group of enemies I will just shoot my 60 shots from my 20 devil-gaunts into them and shred most of them to bits. I did always have issues with tanks but nothing some zopes and hive guard could not handle most times.

[killercroc]

Venom cannons have always glanced vehicles to death, the only difference now is they can actually do it faster.

[Deleted]

It would take 3 hits in a row to wreck most vehicles. Thats a lot of turns to spend shooting at one vehicle and could have been accomplished far quicker. Before it atleast gave you a slim, yet possible, chance of wrecking even a LR in one shot. Now you'd have to have 4 hits minimum to take down a LR.

[guns]

I never liked the idea of the VC as an anti-tank weapon, because of its background. I hope the eventual codex update turns it into a purer version of an anti-heavy infantry weapon; expensive to mount, but still has high strength, and AP 3 (and a significant drawback when you decide to point it at a vehicle).

[fleetofclaw]

Man, it's been since 4th edition that the VC/HVC were any good. I fondly remember my carnifex running around with the old BS/HVC combo. That was when your weapons strength would be added or subtracted from your MCs strength.

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[Talonis]

HVC are not bad for long range hits to finish off a vehicle or to cause some actual damage (weapon destroyed, immobilize) as most our other range weapons will be glancing or just have a limited range. A brood of 3 Fex with this will be able to wreck a fair amount as they walk up the board, add in a set of TL devs and you will be ableto finish off anything as you close in.

VC are not too bad on warriors holding objectives, again for long range hull point hits on transports or the occasional damage result too.

Also it causes instant death on most models, even the VC ID most eldar/imperial guard units.

How many other high strength weapons do we have apart from hive guard and tyrannofex? The HVC has its place.

[eldar88]

Aug 10, 2012 12:32:35 GMT Talonis said:

HVC are not bad for long range hits to finish off a vehicle or to cause some actual damage (weapon destroyed, immobilize) as most our other range weapons will be glancing or just have a limited range. A brood of 3 Fex with this will be able to wreck a fair amount as they walk up the board, add in a set of TL devs and you will be ableto finish off anything as you close in.

VC are not too bad on warriors holding objectives, again for long range hull point hits on transports or the occasional damage result too.

Also it causes instant death on most models, even the VC ID most eldar/imperial guard units.

How many other high strength weapons do we have apart from hive guard and tyrannofex? The HVC has its place.

It Certainly Does!
Other than the super charged Doom's cataclysm we ain't got much High S Anti tank weapons (other than the MCs in combat)