Crushin Claw Choice

[coredump]

Heh... perfect.

So, it would seem if you *only* have a Pfist, you must use it. But if you have a Pfist and a pistol.... you could use the pistol instead.

Interesting change from 5th

[maine]

To reiterate and expound on fleetofclaw's post... though listed under "Close Combat Weapons", Tyranid CCWs aren't weapons in 6E, they are upgrades.

To actually be a weapon, Crushing Claws would have to be listed as a weapon, Strength User, Range -, "Melee" special rule, and additional special rule to grant +D3 attacks. This is not the case for Crushing Claws or any other Tyranid "close combat weapon" upgrades (indeed, Tyranids only have the default Melee weapons).

Thus, with Crushing Claws, you go at I1. Crushing Claws are simply an upgrade that grants a random extra number of attacks.

[halvar]

Jul 28, 2012 16:26:02 GMT firefash said:

so not a surprise that crushing claws was cut down in the errata, just a shame that in doing so it nerfs the fex and adds anothe nail in it's coffin.

what errata? I can't find anything about crushing claws in the official one.

and now to answer the original question in real style: it doesn't matter what initiative you have, you always _strike_ at initiative 1 (and now in 6th, pile-in). so if you're facing another tyranid player for example who has the acid blood biomorph you would stand a much better chance of doding the blood.

[firefash]

Jul 29, 2012 7:46:35 GMT halvar said:

Jul 28, 2012 16:26:02 GMT firefash said:

so not a surprise that crushing claws was cut down in the errata, just a shame that in doing so it nerfs the fex and adds anothe nail in it's coffin.

what errata? I can't find anything about crushing claws in the official one.

Ignore that bit, I've not use crushing claws much since the older codex, and as it was so politely pointed out on another thread they went from d6 down to d3 between codex not in the errata. The errata just tells you when to role the d3.

[ferro]

Jul 29, 2012 7:46:35 GMT halvar said:

it doesn't matter what initiative you have, you always _strike_ at initiative 1 (and now in 6th, pile-in). so if you're facing another tyranid player for example who has the acid blood biomorph you would stand a much better chance of dodging the blood.

Wait, is this right? A carnifex on the charge must pile in at Init 3, but strike at Init 1.
Maybe you were speaking of a Tervigon, who's Init 1 anyway.

[kippawah]

Aug 2, 2012 17:09:35 GMT ferro said:

Jul 29, 2012 7:46:35 GMT halvar said:

it doesn't matter what initiative you have, you always _strike_ at initiative 1 (and now in 6th, pile-in). so if you're facing another tyranid player for example who has the acid blood biomorph you would stand a much better chance of dodging the blood.

Wait, is this right? A carnifex on the charge must pile in at Init 3, but strike at Init 1.
Maybe you were speaking of a Tervigon, who's Init 1 anyway.

Carn on the charge (without crushing claws) still piles in and fights @ I3, due to Living Battering Ram.

Tervs do not benefit from increased initiative for charging. They strike @ I1 , crushing claws or not.

[ferro]

Sorry, now I need to clarify my own statement:
I was speaking of a fex with crushing claws. That's what causes the difference between pile in and attacks.
A stonecrusher may be the same way, not sure of it's statline.

[Deleted]

The Stonecrusher is listed with an Initiative of 1, but also has the Living Battering Ram. Who knows, FW doesn't return my email.

[nurglitch]

60mm: The Carnifex has an Intiative of 1, and Living Battering Ram brings it up to 3.

firefash: I'm not sure what was said in the other thread, but in the 4th edition codex Crushing Claws replaced the Attacks on the model's profile with 1D6, and in the 5th edition codex they add 1D3 to its Attacks. The difference is pretty considerable.