Mawlocs

[bugsfromessex]

How does the mawlocs terror from the deep work against fortifications?

[gloomfang]

From what I have read of the rules on it (I don't have one). It would come up and be moved to the side of the building. It would then have its marker placed and hit everything on the first floor as if it was a blast weapon. It would not hit the units inside. It would not hit units on the bastion.

[nurglitch]

Good thinking. I hadn't thought to wonder about the interaction. It has a certain Tremors-esque vibe that needs exploring.

[creep]

think about it.
Can you agree on something?
If not, you choose an opinion - your opponent chooses an opinion
then you roll a die who is right.

The most likely scenario based on rules would be:
Place the template.
Scatter.
Hit the Bastion and everything on top of it (including a possible Flyer).
Then the Mawlock rolls for mishap, because he can move just tanks not buildings, and there is a Bastion in his way.

[gloomfang]

Jul 24, 2012 21:33:32 GMT creep said:

The most likely scenario based on rules would be:
Place the template.
Scatter.
Hit the Bastion and everything on top of it (including a possible Flyer).
Then the Mawlock rolls for mishap, because he can move just tanks not buildings, and there is a Bastion in his way.

I would say that the Bastion is impassable terrain and I though they could move to not hit that as they can not mishap.

[nurglitch]

According to the Terror from the Deep rule, models that cannot be moved out from under the large blast marker are automatically removed from play. The rules also say that buildings can't move. However, the Terror from the Deep rule also states that the attack targets units, and buildings aren't units.

And impassible buildings are simply impassible terrain which no models, Mawloc or not, may enter, so the interaction there is clearly a deepstrike mishap.

[bloodborne]

also of note, it simply says to place a blast marker on target unit, not that you also have to roll for scatter... Correct if wrong, as I do no typically use Mawlocs...

[hellhammer]

I bet in the new codex Tftd will be much more viable against forts

[wisdomseyes1]

Jul 24, 2012 21:55:51 GMT bloodborne said:

also of note, it simply says to place a blast marker on target unit, not that you also have to roll for scatter... Correct if wrong, as I do no typically use Mawlocs...

Mawloc deep strike normally (there is your roll for scatter) and instead of misshapping, well, do everything described in the codex

[paxmiles]

Buildings are specifically considered impassible terrain for deep strikes. Might have this wrong, but this is my understanding.

As for other fortifications like aegis defense line and skyshield landing pad, I believe the aegis line would be difficult terrain (dangerous for deep strikers) and the skyshield is specifically open terrain (assuming your not trying to land under it, as I've consider that area as not really part of the board as it's hard to squeeze models under it).
-Pax

[squash]

This deserves topic question of the month.

[nurglitch]

paxmiles:

The rules for Deep Strike on p.36 say that: "Deep striking units count non-ruined buildings (except for their battlements) as impassible terrain." So I think it's the case that Mawlocs can't attack buildings, and scattering their Deep Strike onto a building will result in a mishap. Probably not a great idea when Misplaced can result in the Mawloc eating some of your own models, if not a Terrible Accident.

The weird thing that they'll apparently still be able to Deep Strike onto battlements. I say weird because their Deep Strike represents them coming up from the ground, but presumably there is some sort of D-War thing going on where the Mawloc slithers up the side of the building.

[tamastar63]

Mawloc's don't "Mishap" anyway, so when scattering, if you hit the building (as it is impassable terrain) you just reduce the scatter by the minimum distance as needed to not mishap. Oh and Terror from the deep should not be able to effect Flyers either that could be a gliche in the wording of the rules, but it's quite rediculous to play it that way seeing as TFtD is meant to effect things on the ground (as it is coming from underground). Trying to include flyers would be quite the douchebag move!

[squash]

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[sunshine]

Squash, that was awesome. Sorry, nothing to contribute to the thread